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PearlWatson said:
Flawed logic. No one believes everything with a heartbeat is human. Everything with a heartbeat also has a brain of some kind.

The heartbeat argument ain't about whether a fetus is a "human," it is about whether a fetus is a "life" with constitutional protections.

If you go with the brain over heartbeat argument you would come into the degree of development problem as well.
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If you had a heart transplant you would be the same person. If you had a brain transplant you would be essentially donating your body to someone else. A human brain is something special because it is the lump of flesh thatcontains who we are.

There would be disagreements about development but right now there are disagreements anyway. My understanding is that at 24 weeks what makes a fetus not viable is underdeveloped lungs. I think we should ask ourselves a hypothetical "If all other organs were developed enough for survival would this fetus have reasonable brain function." We may disagree a little on the answer to that question but if we are being honest we should be close.
 
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heyhey said:
If you had a heart transplant you would be the same person. If you had a brain transplant you would be essentially donating your body to someone else. A human brain is something special because it is the lump of flesh thatcontains who we are.

There would be disagreements about development but right now there are disagreements anyway. My understanding is that at 24 weeks what makes a fetus not viable is underdeveloped lungs. I think we should ask ourselves a hypothetical "If all other organs were developed enough for survival would this fetus have reasonable brain function." We may disagree a little on the answer to that question but if we are being honest we should be close.
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There is no such thing as a brain transplant. The brain argument can only be applied to killing off down syndrome or brain damaged babies in the womb... or keeping brain damaged/brain dead people alive on ventilators.

The human brain ain't a "lump of flesh" any more than the embryo is.
 
PearlWatson said:
There is no such thing as a brain transplant. The brain argument can only be applied to killing off down syndrome or brain damaged babies in the womb... or keeping brain damaged/brain dead people alive on ventilators.

The human brain ain't a "lump of flesh" any more than the embryo is.
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I know that there is no such thing as a brain transplant. derp

I have been extolling the importance of the brain, please don't let my choice of words offend you.
 
VINYLONE said:
Please get the **** out of here. Whose body is it then because only one entity is able to make conscious decisions.
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I won't even bother to try giving an answer to this. The worst arguing style, definitely not my way.
 
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PearlWatson said:
Wrong. Getting along is fun.
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you need a gentle reminder of how the male brain is different. . . . .

Remember those pics in your Hillary thread????

"Getting Along" with Hillary is definitely "No Fun".

On the other hand, sometimes "Getting Along" can be plenty of fun.

I'll look up some pics to help this idea along. . . .
 
PearlWatson said:
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I was thinking more like Gail Russel, for example. . .

well, say about 1949, maybe. . .. not 1960.

so the word on the street is, she was lesbian. . . . had a whole pack of personal demons, wrecked her car in a drive-in, drunk. . . . died at 36 in a pile of bottles. This is unbelievably depressing, somehow. . . .

In The Great Dan Patch she was the girl who understood. . . . .

I guess I forgot how to do pics. . . where's PKM?



what happened to all the free pics, anyway?
 

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So, nah. . . . guys listen up. . . . .

count your blessings if your wife doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, and likes to shop. . . . that is, if she parks the car first. . . . .before going into the store.
 
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