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Following potential 2014 draftees

Harcher said:
quick summary of link to article by LjJazzman for those non-readers.
- Rex Chapman evaluated one-and-done players since 2006
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- Group 1: one year players who are 1st Team All-Conference or better (All American/ POY) and drafted top10, are essentially assured to be "good to great" NBA players. (6 of 16 are all stars) He defines these players as those who dominated their peers in college - and thus are doing so in NBA

- Group 2: one year players who are not All Conf, but are FREAKISHLY good at something (athletic usually) and are drafted top 19, will be players in NBA. (~50% are double figure scores and the 50% are "on the rise.") Derrick and Enes are in this group. A couple of players drafted outside of 19 are successful, but that is not the rule.

Group 3: one year players who are drafted after 19 – 50% of them are busts and the other half play in the NBA at scrub level.

He lists the one and done players from this year
group 1:
*Andrew Wiggins – Kansas
*Julius Randle – Kentucky
*Jabari Parker – Duke
*Aaron Gordon – Arizona

group 2
*Tyler Ennis – Syracuse
*Joel Embiid – Kansas
*Noah Vonleh – Indiana
*Zach LaVine – UCLA (He's debatable...)

He says no other freshmen should come out. Stay in college and practice your game and be taught the game. Otherwise, you'll ride the pine and not ever play enough to reach your full potential.
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Thanks, on behalf of the reading impaired. Why wouldn't Embiid be put in Group 1? I thought he dominated quite a few of his games.
 
Fabtrey said:
i think he is worth our 2nd round pick if we decide to go gordon/smart/exum route. if he pans out he could be our glue guy off the bench and be a physical presence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOIqVeNmbU&feature=player_embeddedp
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Their strength coach said he could get up to around 280 - 300 in muscle and still maintain his athleticism. Has a special body type. Would love to have him beef up a ton and just knock people around down low.
 
Catchall said:
Thanks, on behalf of the reading impaired. Why wouldn't Embiid be put in Group 1? I thought he dominated quite a few of his games.
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He didn't 'formally' dominate by virtue of being selected all conference 1st team or better, which was the requirement for group 1.

EDIT - John Crotty with the Assist, one minute ahead...
 
John Crotty said:
Their strength coach said he could get up to around 280 - 300 in muscle and still maintain his athleticism. Has a special body type. Would love to have him beef up a ton and just knock people around down low.
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or maybe he should lose weight like kevin love and start working on his jumpers. i would rather shoot for the stars than be a white kendrick perkins. lol
 
Fabtrey said:
kanter is a better athlete with better potential. but healthy mcgary from 2 years ago was ahead of kanter in terms of knowledge of the game, post game(not saying alot, lol), much better hands, better handles, and feel for the game. Mcgary is better basketball player than kanter. but of course, that doesn't mean he is better. i think grow potential on mcgary is kinda low.

just too bad he is too old and lost 1 year of precious playing time. down the road i can see mcgary being 13/7 guy who will be team's enforcer. and honestly i think that's where kanter is heading.
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Enes Kanter is and will always be much better than McGary.

The college POY made McGary look a lot better than he is, which is a slow dude with no skills. Maybe he'll surprise me by being okay, but he'll never be better than or equal to Kanter.
 
LazyD said:
Enes Kanter is and will always be much better than McGary.

The college POY made McGary look a lot better than he is, which is a slow dude with no skills. Maybe he'll surprise me by being okay, but he'll never be better than or equal to Kanter.
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if you think Mcgary has no skills then i don't know what to tell you. defense, passing ability, rebounding, all critical skills in basketball and he does very well. he has good set of hands. he just need to work on offense and get better. and he needs to make a decision. he is slow because he was playing too heavy. he was mobile for his size, but playing at 265+ is too heavy for him. honestly, i think he should lose weight like kevin love did. he has a fluid hip and has very good side to side agility. he is not a leaper, but i think he can guard 4 if he choose to lose 20lb.

i'm just not that high on kanter. potential is there, but i just don't think he will put it all together. watching him frustrates me. but i wanna see him as a Jazz at least 2 more years. he is young and can grow.
 
Hantlers said:
LMAO @ McGary ever being a better basketball player than Kanter.

Holy **** at that.
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i never said mcgary was better than current kanter. kanter is 3rd year NBA player. that's not a fair comparison. i said mcgary is better at the same stage of their career (not same age).

mcgary - better defender, meaner, tougher, better offensive rebounder, better passer, better handles

kanter - better offense, better athlete, bigger upside


if both mcgary and kanter came out same year mcgary would be just few spots behind kanter. kanter was chosen high because of his potential not because of his skills.
 
kanter's 3rd season - 12.3/7.5/.9 26.7 min

mcgary would put up similar number by his 3rd year if he stays healthy. but again mcgary is old. kanter is only 1 month older.

another huge difference between the two. mcgary is way stronger. mcgary has that farm boy strength. kanter, as big as he is, he hasn't shown me that physicality. that was my biggest beef. i want mean **** who can lay wood.
 
Fabtrey said:
i never said mcgary was better than current kanter. kanter is 3rd year NBA player. that's not a fair comparison. i said mcgary is better at the same stage of their career (not same age).

mcgary - better defender, meaner, tougher, better offensive rebounder, better passer, better handles

kanter - better offense, better athlete, bigger upside


if both mcgary and kanter came out same year mcgary would be just few spots behind kanter. kanter was chosen high because of his potential not because of his skills.
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I understand what you said, I just disagree with it.

McGary isn't really that good.
 
Fabtrey said:
kanter's 3rd season - 12.3/7.5/.9 26.7 min

mcgary would put up similar number by his 3rd year if he stays healthy. but again mcgary is old. kanter is only 1 month older.
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McGary hasn't even averaged double figure points in college yet…I'm not so sure he'll be doing so in the NBA any time soon.
 
Hantlers said:
McGary hasn't even averaged double figure points in college yet…I'm not so sure he'll be doing so in the NBA any time soon.
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He started with no shot attempts and then he became more involved in the offense. points are hard to come by in beilein's offense especially when you are a freshman big man. trey, timmy, grob III, stauskas were busy making jump shots. but when he was needed dude put up good numbers. 25/14 against kansas. he absolutely dominated them.

and this year he was plagued by back problems. didn't play much. and this is the only reason why he is a 2nd rounder. if he played this year healthy and well, no doubt he would've been a 20-30th pick this year.

let's say we draft randle then honestly we don't need kanter. we are basically changing our direction. if that happens then i really won't mind trading kanter and draft a big tough kid who will play defense. every teams need enforcers.
 
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id take a look at Senegalese bigman Moussa Diagne in the 2nd, ive seen a good bit of footage on him since he declared the other day and read a few translated scouting reports. hes very mobile and has some nice explosion for a player 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan, saw him make some really impressive catches and rebounds. put him on the list of possible draft and stash guys imo, looks like a possible "workout warrior" at the combine
 
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