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A small idea that I find intriguing. Not certain I'd do it yet and might not agree to it until draft day when I've seen who's around at the #9 slot, but I believe given the trading partner that it could be agreed to on the spot next week.

Utah trades #9 to Memphis.

Memphis trades #12 and #25 to Utah.

Why for Memphis: Utah can credibly claim to be interested in Luke Babbitt. Memphis wants Luke Babbitt (per Chad Ford's piece today as well as draftexpress). Memphis has three picks in the first round. Even after the trade they still have #9 and #28 so the cost of doing business isn't too high for them and they get the guy they want.

Why for Utah: Depending on whom you believe between Chad Ford, Draftexpress, or nbadraft.net, it appears that either Cole Aldrich or Xavier Henry will fall to #12. Both players (pending the outcome of the present Big Board vote) appear to be favored over Babbitt at least on this board. If the front office feels the same way they can collect an additional first rounder and still come up with a better outcome than Babbitt.

The #25 pick could have a number of prospects the Jazz have already worked out, such as Larry Sanders and Damion James. Or we could probably get Archie's favorite Dwayne Wade type scorer Willie Warren. :p

While I know we generally poo-poo trade threads I think this one is a lot more realistic than most. Feel free to let me know if I'm crazy for thinking so.
 
I hate the idea of moving down in any darft. I like quality over quantity, you can have a chance of someone slipping to you at 9, but at 12? Not a chance.
 
If you think you can get aldrich at 12 i don't see why not. The Jazz need bodies for next year and rookies come pretty cheap.
 
gregbroncs said:
If you think you can get aldrich at 12 i don't see why not. The Jazz need bodies for next year and rookies come pretty cheap.
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I hate the idea of getting a undersized center... Why can't we get someone 7' tall and roll a craps shoot? I'm all for Whiteside, it's either Whiteside or get Joel Pryzbilla. The Jazz have a chance at getting a Pryzbilla type of player through free agency, if Whiteside becomes Marcus Camby 2.0, then the Jazz could only get a player like that through trade, if at all.
 
The Jazz should do this on draft night and have a trade pre-arranged if they can't trade up for Wall, Turner, Favors, Johnson, or Cousins and after they've already drafted Babbitt (selecting him for the Grizzlies, essentially). Hopefully, this would mean the Jazz would be able to pick #12 instead of letting the Grizzlies do it.
 
gregbroncs said:
If you think you can get aldrich at 12 i don't see why not. The Jazz need bodies for next year and rookies come pretty cheap.
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In the three present mock-drafts that I think most people check this is how it plays out with the three guys mentioned.

Chad Ford: Luke Babbitt at #9 (Utah's pick). Cole Aldrich at #11. Xavier Henry at #15.

Draftexpress: Xavier Henry at #8. Luke Babbitt at #12 (Memphis' pick). Cole Aldrich at #14.

Nbadraft.net: Luke Babbit at #8. Cole Aldrich at #9. Xavier Henry at #15.

In all three mocks, one of the two slides past the #12 pick that we would use.
 
If you would have presented me those three players a few years ago when talking about the New York pick, I would have opened a few veins in a warm tub of water.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The Jazz should do this on draft night and have a trade pre-arranged if they can't trade up for Wall, Turner, Favors, Johnson, or Cousins and after they've already drafted Babbitt (selecting him for the Grizzlies, essentially). Hopefully, this would mean the Jazz would be able to pick #12 instead of letting the Grizzlies do it.
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I agree. As soon as the #6 pick rolls around the Jazz should be on the phone with Memphis and monitoring the situation closely.
 
Kyoto said:
If you would have presented me those three players a few years ago when talking about the New York pick, I would have opened a few veins in a warm tub of water.
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Life is what it is. Like it or not, we didn't win the lottery and you have to play the hand you're dealt.
 
If I am JOC, I have little interest in acquiring #25. Now, if it is #9 for #12 and loosened restrictions on the future (Brewer) pick, that might interest me.
 
I'd do it. Not only would I do it, but it's a no-brainer, IMO. There is no downside.

I feel like you have just as good a chance at getting a player at 12 as you do at 9. Hell, we Jazz fans can't even agree on Udoh, Aminu, Babbitt, Henry, Whiteside, Aldrich, Hayward, Davis, Patterson, George, etc - some of those guys will be there at 9 and some will be there at 12. Who among those guys is better? Who the hell knows? It truly is a crapshoot.

Plus, I think this is a great draft to have a late first round pick. You could go combo guard with a guy like Armon Johnson, Terrico White or Avery Bradley...or most likely you go after one of the big men who will be available there - Seraphin, Brackins, Alabi, Sanders, Orton, Varnado, Booker, Jordan, or N'Diaye. Hell, DX has Whiteside at 18 and Ford has him at 22 - perhaps teams are scared off by his attitude concerns, etc - and he slips to 25. The guy is a huge risk, but at 25, it's one you take.
 
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This has been mentioned a few times before. I could also be talked into trading the #9 for Minny's two later picks. I don't think there's much of a difference between the players that will be available 9-16.

But I also don't think Miller/KOC want to take on a guaranteed 3-yr deal for a player drafted in the 20's. Utah hasn't exactly been that effective in judging talent down around that spot. I think KOC and Sloan would rather sign a vet at the minimum to fill a roster spot than go with a rookie.

I'd do it, though. Babbitt/Hayward/Henry/George at the #12. One of those guys will still be there. Then perhaps a Sanders or Brackins with the 2nd pick.
 
I'd be (a little) more interested if it was for for the 12 and one of the 1st 5 picks of the 2nd. I hate those late 1sts. You get a guy you're locked into 1st round guarantees for that only has a tiny chance of working out. On draft day, all the experts talk about how great you did. 3 years later, those same experts can't remember who you drafted. If KOC had a big enough list of guys who fit both ranges, I could live with the risk. But he better be right.
 
billyshelby said:
I'd be (a little) more interested if it was for for the 12 and one of the 1st 5 picks of the 2nd. I hate those late 1sts. You get a guy you're locked into 1st round guarantees for that only has a tiny chance of working out. On draft day, all the experts talk about how great you did. 3 years later, those same experts can't remember who you drafted. If KOC had a big enough list of guys who fit both ranges, I could live with the risk. But he better be right.
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I agree that it would be better to have one of the first 5 of the second round than the last 5 of the 1st round - is there a team that has a pick in the 10-15 range of the 1st that also has a pick in 1-5 range of the second round? I haven't looked.
 
If it meant we could get Aldrich or Paul George with the the #12 pick and Larry Sanders with #25, then this trade would be awesome.
 
This is a great idea--someone should notify KOC so he can scout those late first round & early second round players.

Larry Sanders, Ryan Richards, Gani Lawal, Craig Brackens,
 
I've been trying to invent ways of turning our pick into two first-round picks for a while now. I think this gets a lot juicier if you start thinking about how we can turn #25 into number 15-20. We have the future Memphis pick, KK2, and Tomic to throw around. If you can get BOTH of these deals done then I think it is a no-brainer.
 
Sirkickyass said:
A small idea that I find intriguing. Not certain I'd do it yet and might not agree to it until draft day when I've seen who's around at the #9 slot, but I believe given the trading partner that it could be agreed to on the spot next week.

Utah trades #9 to Memphis.

Memphis trades #12 and #25 to Utah.

Why for Memphis: Utah can credibly claim to be interested in Luke Babbitt. Memphis wants Luke Babbitt (per Chad Ford's piece today as well as draftexpress). Memphis has three picks in the first round. Even after the trade they still have #9 and #28 so the cost of doing business isn't too high for them and they get the guy they want.

Why for Utah: Depending on whom you believe between Chad Ford, Draftexpress, or nbadraft.net, it appears that either Cole Aldrich or Xavier Henry will fall to #12. Both players (pending the outcome of the present Big Board vote) appear to be favored over Babbitt at least on this board. If the front office feels the same way they can collect an additional first rounder and still come up with a better outcome than Babbitt.

The #25 pick could have a number of prospects the Jazz have already worked out, such as Larry Sanders and Damion James. Or we could probably get Archie's favorite Dwayne Wade type scorer Willie Warren. :p

While I know we generally poo-poo trade threads I think this one is a lot more realistic than most. Feel free to let me know if I'm crazy for thinking so.
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Good idea that's been proposed before. Personally though, the draft is deep in bigs so to move down just three spots and take a big early which is a risk anyway (though Aldrich is the least riskiest pick) is a waste of a move to me. For me, we either try to move up to get one of the top 5, or stay pat, draft Babbitt (or move down and draft him) and get bigs later on. I know I'm a broken record here but I love Pittman and Foote (legit size, very strong respective skills) and acquiring them with 2nd rounder(s?) is the way to go imo. They have just as good a chance of being successful in the league as the Larry Sanders of the world imo.

However, take a big early and there's no intriguing wings in the 2nd who possess the qualities even remotely similar to earlier 1st round wings like Johnson or Babbitt imo.
 
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