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green said:
My plan has us signing Gortat via FA. Randle is considers by many to have franchise talent.

Just sayin...
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Yes, but the fact that you are trading our youngs before they are developed to free cap for those vets, when we currently don't need to.

Also, who in the hell views Randle as a franchise talent? I've heard potential all-star.

People are still debating wether Wiggins or Jabari will blossom into true franchise talents.


Randle's strengths already exist in Kanter's game, yet Kanter has the better measurements. Based on the 10k hours "outliers" model for developing greatness and reaching potential, Kanter still has a lot of untapped potential because of his unique background.
 
Core4 said:
True. I think extending Favors shows his loyalty and belief in Derrick. And everyone knew Gobert was a project. If anything, Rudy played better than expected.
I wouldn't necessarily say he has loyalty to Trey because he drafted him...whether or not it was his choice or Ty's. Likely Burke and MCW were rated close enough that he gave Corbin the final call and thus said Trey was "Ty's pick." But DL wouldn't hesitate for a second to make an upgrade at any position if the opportunity arose.
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The bolded part is a wise move... DL put that out there to deflect the blame if the pick goes bad. He knew last year that Ty would not be here today. If the pick works out then he still can "thank" Ty... (And if Ty were still here it was thus a hedge toward the player working out...)

this is sort of the same fanboard strategy of saying "I know so and so will suck as a player(for the Jazz), i'm just hoping he doesn't" - so you can have win/win. If the player sucks then you are nostrodomus, if the player is great then your team benefits (you benefit)
 
Sexual Favors said:
Yes, but the fact that you are trading our youngs before they are developed to free cap for those vets, when we currently don't need to.

Also, who in the hell views Randle as a franchise talent? I've heard potential all-star.

People are still debating wether Wiggins or Jabari will blossom into true franchise talents.


Randle's strengths already exist in Kanter's game, yet Kanter has the better measurements. Based on the 10k hours "outliers" model for developing greatness and reaching potential, Kanter still has a lot of untapped potential because of his unique background.
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Kanter is a good post player, but isn't nearly as quick in the post as Randle. He also isn't nearly as quick attacking the basket on face ups, and doesn't have Randle's ability to handle the ball and create off the dribble.

Kanter has things that Randle doesn't (size, soft touch on jumpshots), but they are very different players.

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seattlejazzfan said:
Kanter is a good post player, but isn't nearly as quick in the post as Randle. He also isn't nearly as quick attacking the basket on face ups, and doesn't have Randle's ability to handle the ball and create off the dribble.

Kanter has things that Randle doesn't (size, soft touch on jumpshots), but they are very different players.

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I disagree. After watching a full season of Randle, it is clear that his handles were overrated. He might be quicker, but he is not the athlete originally advertised. Randle really relied on bully ball, which I think most people will admit, that due to size, Kanter has more potential with. It's also not like Kanter can't face up his oppnent. Reference the dunk on Deandre Jordan, and all of his rainbows from 18 ft.

Kanter can't pass out of double teams consistently yet, but neither could Randle.

Point is, trading Burks and Kanter to get Randle and some vets is crazy when you think about it. We could get vets in FA at the MLE, keep our guys, picks, etc. we should only entertain trades for upgrades, not crossgrades and downgrades.
 
Sexual Favors said:
This.

but having said that, DL has said numerous times how he, the FO, and scouting staff are all really high on the compatibility of the core 5. I doubt he is going to give up on it for anything less than a deal to acquire franchise talent. Vets the caliber of Gortat and Buddinger can be had in FA.
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Ummm, they've expressed doubt that Favors and Kanter could play together. And nothing we saw this season, which granted wasn't much (due to Ty's marvelous rotations), has indicated otherwise.

Not saying they can't, but a draft of one of the PF's or Embiid could mean an eventual trade of Kanter - or Favors. Likewise, if Hayward can't play the 3, then picking Exum as a combo guard might signal a trade of Hayward (S&T) or Burks.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Yes, but the fact that you are trading our youngs before they are developed to free cap for those vets, when we currently don't need to.

Also, who in the hell views Randle as a franchise talent? I've heard potential all-star.

People are still debating wether Wiggins or Jabari will blossom into true franchise talents.


Randle's strengths already exist in Kanter's game, yet Kanter has the better measurements. Based on the 10k hours "outliers" model for developing greatness and reaching potential, Kanter still has a lot of untapped potential because of his unique background.
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Is there anyone not on this board that had Kanter pegged as an All Star?
 
Core4 said:
Ummm, they've expressed doubt that Favors and Kanter could play together. And nothing we saw this season, which granted wasn't much (due to Ty's marvelous rotations), has indicated otherwise.

Not saying they can't, but a draft of one of the PF's or Embiid could mean an eventual trade of Kanter - or Favors. Likewise, if Hayward can't play the 3, then picking Exum as a combo guard might signal a trade of Hayward (S&T) or Burks.
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********. Unless by "they," you mean Ty Corbin who is no longer a part of this team. Dennis Lindsey said the assumption about Favors and Kanter not meshing was ridiculous and premature at least three times this year in interviews. Most recently on locker cleanout day. Kanter and Favors closed the season very strong when paired together. Also, DL stated numerous times how he thinks the core five have complimentary games to one another and how pleased he is with it. I get the impression you don't listen to his interviews on 1280, am I right?

I am not saying anyone is untouchable, but if any of them are traded, it will be in a package to acquire a franchise talent, not a crossgrade/downgrade, or over-the-hill vet.
 
Sexual Favors said:
********. Unless by "they," you mean Ty Corbin who is no longer a part of this team. Dennis Lindsey said the assumption about Favors and Kanter not meshing was ridiculous and premature at least three times this year in interviews. Most recently on locker cleanout day. Kanter and Favors closed the season very strong when paired together. Also, DL stated numerous times how he thinks the core five have complimentary games to one another and how pleased he is with it. I get the impression you don't listen to his interviews on 1280, am I right?

I am not saying anyone is untouchable, but if any of them are traded, it will be in a package to acquire a franchise talent, not a crossgrade/downgrade, or over-the-hill vet.
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Because if Lindsey were to want to trade Kanter he would say favors and kanter can't play together. That would make a **** ton of sense hu?
 
I do agree that at some point we will seriously have to consider packaging a few of these guys for a franchise talent. If we get one of the top four picks we will likely have one of the big three we will need.
 
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green said:
Is there anyone not on this board that had Kanter pegged as an All Star?
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Yes. A potential one. Kanter was drafted 3rd overall for a reason. Granted, it wasn't 2014 deep, but it wasn't 2013 weak. A young big man with his size, hands, frame, height, wingspan, athleticism (yes, Kanter is actually very athletic for his frame), footwork, rebounding instincts, shooter's touch, body fat percentage (came into the league w/ 5.9% and his since slimmed down and toned up, compared to Randle's 9.4% ), perimeter game, and desire to get better is a kind of player that rarely comes around. Big men are usually huge and slow, or skinny and weak. They can either play in the post, or they live by the 3 and nothing else. You potentially get the best of both worlds with Kanter. I suggest you go read his Draftexpress profile, so you can see how everything Kanter has struggled with so far has all been things we knew before taking him, but were, and are committed to ironing out.
 
Vermin said:
Because if Lindsey were to want to trade Kanter he would say favors and kanter can't play together. That would make a **** ton of sense hu?
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There is no evidence to suggest a pending trade. When considering trades, you have to think about your situation, the other team's situation, the worth of who and what you are trading, how the other team will perceive that worth, and what your targeted outcome is. Kanter and Burks have far more value to our organization than they do to another's. We'vee seen them progressing, and we knew they were projects. The rest of the league likely sees them as unproven players on the last year of their rookie contracts, which wouldn't net much in a trade.

Our only real trade assets from the player side of things is someone like Favors, because he was our most efficient player this year (when I've pointed this out before, you've assumed I'm saying thus he'll be traded), or someone like Trey who is in the first year of his rookie contract and had a solid year, or someone like Gobert who many other coaches have commented on liking (and is in his first year). Players like Hayward, Kanter, and Burks aren't appealing trade assets right now. Hayward will be once again if we end up inking him, and Burks could be too if we extend him this summer after considers his solid campaign this year. Kanter was up and down, but finished strong, but is also far away from his long term value. Selling low is never a good business sttrategy.

They all could be traded at some point.
 
Sexual Favors said:
********. Unless by "they," you mean Ty Corbin who is no longer a part of this team. Dennis Lindsey said the assumption about Favors and Kanter not meshing was ridiculous and premature at least three times this year in interviews. Most recently on locker cleanout day. Kanter and Favors closed the season very strong when paired together. Also, DL stated numerous times how he thinks the core five have complimentary games to one another and how pleased he is with it. I get the impression you don't listen to his interviews on 1280, am I right?

I am not saying anyone is untouchable, but if any of them are traded, it will be in a package to acquire a franchise talent, not a crossgrade/downgrade, or over-the-hill vet.
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Agree with the latter paragraph. And by saying I think DL will trade for a vet, I'm always referring to an Okur/Boozer type player, not a Tinsley/JLIII clone. DL HAD expressed concern in the past. I know what he has said, but Kanter and Favors have NOT shown they can even play substandard defense when they're on the court together. They are abysmal! We'll see how they do under a different coach. Lindsey certainly would not trade Kanter when his value is so low...unless he does pull off a deal for an all-star quality player.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Yes. A potential one. Kanter was drafted 3rd overall for a reason. Granted, it wasn't 2014 deep, but it wasn't 2013 weak. A young big man with his size, hands, frame, height, wingspan, athleticism (yes, Kanter is actually very athletic for his frame), footwork, rebounding instincts, shooter's touch, body fat percentage (came into the league w/ 5.9% and his since slimmed down and toned up, compared to Randle's 9.4% ), perimeter game, and desire to get better is a kind of player that rarely comes around. Big men are usually huge and slow, or skinny and weak. They can either play in the post, or they live by the 3 and nothing else. You potentially get the best of both worlds with Kanter. I suggest you go read his Draftexpress profile, so you can see how everything Kanter has struggled with so far has all been things we knew before taking him, but were, and are committed to ironing out.
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Do you have. Link to anyone not on this board or paid by the Jazz who views Kanter as a potential All Star?

The draft express profile was written years ago. I want a link of a recent source who is outside of Jazz land, who thinks Kanter can be an All Star after what he's shown the last three years.

I don't think anyone would give up Randle for Kanter straight up. I might be wrong, but I haven't seen anything that says anyone thinks Kanter will be an All Star or he is worth a top 10 pick.
 
green said:
Do you have. Link to anyone not on this board or paid by the Jazz who views Kanter as a potential All Star?

The draft express profile was written years ago. I want a link of a recent source who is outside of Jazz land, who thinks Kanter can be an All Star after what he's shown the last three years.

I don't think anyone would give up Randle for Kanter straight up. I might be wrong, but I haven't seen anything that says anyone thinks Kanter will be an All Star or he is worth a top 10 pick.
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I think Kanter could be an all-star. I've always said Kanter>Randle.
 
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