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seattlejazzfan said:
Either way, he shot a better percentage. Also, keep in mind, after the first 7 games of the season, when Duke started to play real teams regularly, Parker shot just 28% from three. One of the biggest misconceptions about players in the draft is that Parker is a good 3pt shooter. He might become one, but over the bulk of the season and during conference play, he was not.
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Gordon also shot 35% from 3, but sorry, he's not half the shooter Parker is. There's way more you have to account for than just the %. How many they attempted is huge, IMO. And those stats don't show how many of those shots were taken off the dribble vs spot up. For instance, Gordon can't shoot off the dribble to save his life. All of his 3's are catch and shoot. Parker took 3's off the dribble very often.
 
spycam1 said:
Gordon also shot 35% from 3, but sorry, he's not half the shooter Parker is. There's way more you have to account for than just the %. How many they attempted is huge, IMO. And those stats don't show how many of those shots were taken off the dribble vs spot up. For instance, Gordon can't shoot off the dribble to save his life. All of his 3's are catch and shoot. Parker took 3's off the dribble very often.
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You're just making excuses at this point. After feasting on the likes of UNC Asheville, Florida Atlantic, Vermont and East Carolina, when Duke started playing decent teams, Parker shot 28% from three in the last 28 games of the season. That's bad not matter how you slice it. In the last 28 games of the season, Parker shot over 50% from three, two times. 2 of 28 games! To try to say he's a good 3pt shooter is to ignore what actually happened in the games this past season.
 
In regard to Parker, I watched every Duke game that was on TV this past season. At the beginning of the season, Parker was lights out from three and I was blown away. Here's a 6'8" frosh who can get up and down, who is not a great athlete, but a good athlete, can get his jump shot off at will and is mind-blowingly accurate. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The problem is, I kept watching the games. I kept watching and Parker kept missing from the outside. After a while, a sample size 20-25 games against good competition starts to outweigh what I'd seen early in the year against mostly bad teams (he also shot well against Kansas in the 2nd or 3rd game of the season). Again, he might become a great shooter, but he will need to improve a ton.
 
I think your assessment is pretty fair, I was mainly just saying that you can't say Player A is a better 3 point shooter than Player B because he shot 1% better. There's a lot more to it than that.
 
spycam1 said:
I think your assessment is pretty fair, I was mainly just saying that you can't say Player A is a better 3 point shooter than Player B because he shot 1% better. There's a lot more to it than that.
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I agree, but part of my argument to point out Jabari isn't necessarily a better shooter was also the overall FG%. Turner's 51% to Parker's 47%. Overall FG% doesn't necessarily mean everything either as one guy might be better in the paint, etc. We don't have the answers as to who shot more at the rim, who shot more jumpshots, etc, so all we have are those numbers. There really isn't much argument at this point that Parker was a better shooter coming out of college than Turner. Ultimately, like I said above, the Thee Jazz Fan's Turner comparison probably isn't totally fair because he was a junior and Parker was a freshman.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbv92HJOmhM

ya gotta love the way Warren shoots these floaters, hes legitimately amazing at that those shots. itd be great to see that in the Jazz offense
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Either way, he shot a better percentage. Also, keep in mind, after the first 7 games of the season, when Duke started to play real teams regularly, Parker shot just 28% from three. One of the biggest misconceptions about players in the draft is that Parker is a good 3pt shooter. He might become one someday, but over the bulk of the season and during conference play, he was not.
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I think Parker has a great release. What his long range bomb lacks is arc. Most great shooters have an extra 5-10° of elevation on their jumper.
But I guess development coaches have seen that as well. Better arc helps you especially late in the game when you start getting tired and your accuracy starts to go down. Makes the rim more friendly in terms of margin of error.

PointGod_AlecBurks said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbv92HJOmhM

ya gotta love the way Warren shoots these floaters, hes legitimately amazing at that those shots. itd be great to see that in the Jazz offense
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I like TJ Warren, pimped him a fair amount last fall. Just sceptical when it comes to his 1v1 defense. If you take both Warren and Parker/Exum your two best defender are Derrick Favors and Gordon Hayward. I don't know if you want that.

I also think if the Jazz grab Embiid/Wiggins/Vonleh/Gordon they'll be a couple in the top10 in next year's draft as well. And next year there are more 3rd tier wings on the table or you go for a 2nd tier big at around 8.
 
cowhide said:
Actually his stock is dropping, he didn't have a very good combine and measurements were bad. I like him but not as much as I did before because I thought he could play SF but his size seems to suggest he is more of a SG. I like Inglis and would take him at #35 and consider him at #23 depending on who else was available.
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possibly CJ Wilcox at #23 ?
 
Locke's assessment on Jabari - echoing what I detailed last year about my concern regarding Jabari's Tongan heritage and genes:


"How can he be over weight at 19 years old?"
 
seattlejazzfan said:
In regard to Parker, I watched every Duke game that was on TV this past season. At the beginning of the season, Parker was lights out from three and I was blown away. Here's a 6'8" frosh who can get up and down, who is not a great athlete, but a good athlete, can get his jump shot off at will and is mind-blowingly accurate. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The problem is, I kept watching the games. I kept watching and Parker kept missing from the outside. After a while, a sample size 20-25 games against good competition starts to outweigh what I'd seen early in the year against mostly bad teams (he also shot well against Kansas in the 2nd or 3rd game of the season). Again, he might become a great shooter, but he will need to improve a ton.
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Could it be that he was asked to do more than he's used to and his conditioning failed him as the season came to an end?

His conditioning is becoming more and more of a concern for me.

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Hotttnickkk said:
Locke's assessment on Jabari - echoing what I detailed last year about my concern regarding Jabari's Tongan heritage and genes:


"How can he be over weight at 19 years old?"
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I guess Locke should look at the child obesity rate in the USA to find his answer. I don't think he is overweight but age has nothing to to with if a person is overweight.
 
I like TJ Warren too but I haven't see a lot of him so I don't know if he is a willing passer or if he can play defense, but at 23 I wouldn't hesitate to take him but I think he will be gone by 17 or 18 even earlier.
 
Im not one for excuses but when your usage rate is 36% like what TJ's was, while also being the teams leading rebounder, i think its fair to give him the benefit of the doubt on some defensive lapses

he was 10lbs heavier at NC State than at the combine too, it would seem hes changing his body a bit to fit a role at SF and his drills came out very good, near top tier guys in Lane Agility and Sprint.

his defense is kind of Jordan Adams-esque, not always in a stance, not the best lateral quickness, he gets beat a good bit off the dribble and caught reaching, BUT he does get plenty of steals and shows great anticipation, theres still some hope.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
Im not one for excuses but when your usage rate is 36% like what TJ's was, while also being the teams leading rebounder, i think its fair to give him the benefit of the doubt on some defensive lapses

he was 10lbs heavier at NC State than at the combine too, it would seem hes changing his body a bit to fit a role at SF and his drills came out very good, near top tier guys in Lane Agility and Sprint.

his defense is kind of Jordan Adams-esque, not always in a stance, not the best lateral quickness, he gets beat a good bit off the dribble and caught reaching, BUT he does get plenty of steals and shows great anticipation, theres still some hope.
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Of you could choose between Warren and McDaniels, who are you taking?

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orangello said:
Of you could choose between Warren and McDaniels, who are you taking?

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its not close IMO. Warren is fringe lottery grade. I'm a McDaniels fan and had a smile ear to ear watching him vs Duke. I think hes more of a project at this point, a great defender, i love his FT shooting and he has a bunch of different skills but i think at the end of the day hes a mixed bag on offense... if only his handle was better

that grantland article where the scout says "Wiggins just dosent have that '**** you' to his game", im sure i saw a bit of that from Warren this year, especially in the battles with Syracuse he crushed CJ Fairs chances of getting drafted, IMO, and showed plenty of "**** you" in the back to back 41 and 42 point games, he was legit NBA jam on fire vs. pitt drilling heatchecks from nba 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GqhwV-wzLU

dat floater doe...
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
its not close IMO. Warren is fringe lottery grade. I'm a McDaniels fan and had a smile ear to ear watching him vs Duke. I think hes more of a project at this point, a great defender, i love his FT shooting and he has a bunch of different skills but i think at the end of the day hes a mixed bag on offense... if only his handle was better

that grantland article where the scout says "Wiggins just dosent have that '**** you' to his game", im sure i saw a bit of that from Warren this year, especially in the battles with Syracuse he crushed CJ Fairs chances of getting drafted, IMO and showed plenty of "**** you" in the back to back 41 and 42 point games, he was legit NBA jam on fire vs. pitt drilling heatchecks from nba 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GqhwV-wzLU

dat floater doe...
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Maybe that's where we differ.

I'm more concerned about the Jazz defense, you seemed to be concerned about the offense.

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Part of Parker's problem is that he was playing the 5 position quite a bit. In addition, Duke didn't offer much help defensively. He was definitely over-used.

Does he have to improve his shot? Absolutely. I never thought he was that good from 3 to begin with. Saying that Evan Turner is a better 3-PT shooter is absurd though.
 
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