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2014 NBA Playoffs: Conference Finals

zbone said:
After watching the video I gonna say top 4 NBA teams of today would beat the crap out of that Celtics team. Thunder and Miami would embarrass them with a sweep and double digits win in every game. That's how athletically dominant they are in comparison to Celtics.
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...I think your a product of.....evolution! If you think ANY of these modern days clowns would beat those Larry Bird/Magic Johnson championship teams......you have lost your "soft white fuzzy stuff" mind!
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Nice. Hopefully this *** kicking ends all the Ibaka is going to be the difference in this series talk. 27 point average margin in the 3 Spurs home victories. Just brutal. KD better show up with a 50 point game if the series goes back to San Antonio.
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...50 might do it....but won't ever happen! Popovich will cook up something to hold him to 35! Westbrook is another story! Spurs just have to figure out a way to out score the Spurs with offensive efficiency and brains either Saturday or back in Texas!
 
Fabtrey said:
answer my question. if you don't, i'll forever call you a retard.
Which one? You asked nine, genius.

1. did athletically dominant Heat beat da crap out of spurs last year? spurs have 2 decent athletes.
Thunder did two years ago. And current Spurs are head and shoulders above Celtics'86 from athletic ability and fitness despite having only two "decent" athletes.

2. how did argentina beat 04 US team with prime vince carter, young bron, tin duncan, AI and etc? on paper it's a total mismatch. why didn't us team beat friggin argentina with 1 good player by 80 points?
Argentina was a team, not a dysfunctional All-Star game assembly. We are comparing seasoned NBA teams here. Apples to oranges, my little friend.

3. how did 40 year old MJ abuse young richard jefferson and dropped 43pts?
Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. WTF this has anything to do with Celtics'86 being nonathletic and slow?

4. how did blazers lose to spurs in the 2nd round?
By scoring less points in four games.

5. how did 80's celtics beat the showtime lakers? showtime lakers had many athletes. balls moved like crazy too.
By scoring more points in four games. Seriously, showtime Lakers are overrated. Watching them now right after 2014 semis is like watching slo-mo

6. how did 04 pistons with bunch of b level players beat the lakers with prime kobe, 32 year old shaq, and etc. on paper it was a total mismatch. that 04 pistons are not that athletic. they were long and mean, but they weren't elite athletes
Lakers had toxic locker room and injured Malone. The Pistons were as athletic as Lakers. You are delusional if thinking otherwise.

7. how did 2006 US team consists of dwight, wade, bron, melo, bosh etc lost to Greece? here is the box score https://www.usab.com/seniormen/2006/06_mwc_box8.html
See 2. I am puzzled you are seriously bringing it here when we are talking about NBA teams

8. is Dirk a great athlete? how did he dominate the playoffs when he won it all? maybe Larry bird can do the same, but better? because eh, larry bird is much better than dirk?
3pt shooting and amazing athletes on defense around Dirk allowed him to win it

9. does current top 4 players have bigs to match Mchale, parish, & walton? do you even know mchale, parish, & walton?
Top 4 teams you mean?
Dude, Parish is Splitter with 1 more inch on him. McHale is 20 lbs lighter than Splitter. And we are talking about Spurs who lack rim protector. Get a grip. Those guys from the past are straw-men comparing to nowadays bigs. They will be abused and taken behind the woodshed by Ibaka and alike.
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Fabtrey said:
slap yourself silly and call yourself a basketball moron.
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That's not what your mom called me last night.
 
zbone said:
That's not what your mom called me last night.
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just read your posts. probably born in early 90's? it really is funny talking basketball with kids.

and guess who won between celtics and rockets in 85-86 championship? 86 rockets had young hakeem who would destroy anybody in today's nba, healthy 25 year old ralph sampson who would dominate any today's big. maybe you should google them.

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maybe in your eyes, these guys are bunch of mediocre athletes too?
 
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ztard

1. Thunder did two years ago. And current Spurs are head and shoulders above Celtics'86 from athletic ability and fitness despite having only two "decent" athletes. - i asked you about Heat, not thunder. thunder had harden, spurs weren't as good previous year. this spurs have better fitness than the celtics? wow, just wow. you are truly a basketball moron if you discredit one of the greatest basketball team ever assembled. i mean i have no hopes for you. that team won 67 games, and was ridiculously physical and tough. and larry bird got his points against anybody. put an athlete on him, double triple him, you couldn't stop him. this guy single handedly took a small time college team to an NCAA championship. watch how larry bird tooling the league. you can youtube it man. you are disrespecting the great larry bird. ask any basketball experts and how great larry bird was. 4 straight championship, and this dude was a bad bad boy. he was nasty as hell. don't disrespect larry bird. that's a cardinal sin.



2. Argentina was a team, not a dysfunctional All-Star game assembly. We are comparing seasoned NBA teams here. Apples to oranges, my little friend.
Bingo. and seasoned nba team? do you honestly think pacers are seasoned nba team? they are dysfunctional. thunder? they are dysfunctional. i laugh at whoever thinks any of these teams are considered great. spurs are old veterans who know how to play. but they are old veterans. Heat has the greatest player on earth, but they can't play against past great teams because they don't have a legit bigs. you said argentina was a team and 06 usa team was dysfunctional. basically you are definitely contradicting yourself. poor athletes beat supreme athletes because they play team game. lesson learned. Celtics were a great team. they were so great that playing at garden was basically big L. they were not only a great team, but they were intimidators. they were bad boys before pistons. you couldn't get to the rim. there were enforcers. you couldn't trash talk them. Larry bird would trash talk all over you. they stopped perimeter game with DJ and co. they make you play their game. they make you impatient because they were such a patient team. teams were in awe of their godly ball movement.


3. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. WTF this has anything to do with Celtics'86 being nonathletic and slow?
Because 40 year old MJ was nonathletic and slow who missed dunk, yet avged 20pts shooting .445%? why was he able to perform so well for his age with no athleticism? because MJ knew how to play basketball. MJ knew how to post you up. MJ was tough mentally. MJ knew the game of the basketball. if he had 2 good knees he would've taken that atrocious team to a playoff. i'm just further proving athleticism is just one part of the equation.


4. how did blazers lose to spurs in the 2nd round?
By scoring less points in four games.
-but weren't they a better athletes? LMA is much better athlete than 37 year old duncan. lillard destroys parker in athleticism. but they still lost? why? see #2 above.


5. By scoring more points in four games. Seriously, showtime Lakers are overrated. Watching them now right after 2014 semis is like watching slo-mo
Seriously, you really don't know about basketball.


6. Lakers had toxic locker room and injured Malone. The Pistons were as athletic as Lakers. You are delusional if thinking otherwise.
you are delusional if you think pistons were supreme athletes - tayshun, sheed, chauncey, big ben, rip, corliss williamson, etc, etc. all of them are good athletes, not a high flying crazy athletes you are in love with. but they were long, and they were a very good defensive unit. they are no more athletic then some of defensive 80's team. ask the real bad boys and if they can win 1 game against them. ask any pistons fans if they can beat the bad boys.



7. See 2. I am puzzled you are seriously bringing it here when we are talking about NBA teams
i'm puzzled why you are not getting what i'm trying to say. better team always wins. celtics are better team than any other 'athletic' today's team.

8. is Dirk a great athlete? how did he dominate the playoffs when he won it all? maybe Larry bird can do the same, but better? because eh, larry bird is much better than dirk?
3pt shooting and amazing athletes on defense around Dirk allowed him to win it
who are these amazing athletes you are talking about? jason terry? jason kidd? shawn marion? barea? butler? lol. really? they are amazing athletes? even marion was on the decline. guys like marion were plenty in 80's. at the end of the day, Dirk went beast mode. he was larry bird like.



9. Top 4 teams you mean?
Dude, Parish is Splitter with 1 more inch on him. McHale is 20 lbs lighter than Splitter. And we are talking about Spurs who lack rim protector. Get a grip. Those guys from the past are straw-men comparing to nowadays bigs. They will be abused and taken behind the woodshed by Ibaka and alike.

- you are really comparing parish to splitter? wow. mchale played against malone, barkley, oakley, mason, etc, etc. mchale abused all of them. one of the most underrated player of all time. you really don't have a clue, do you?
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i'm about to shoot myself in the eye. i really have no reason to live after this retarded exchange.
 
so according to ztard today's amazing athletes can beat

showtime lakers
bird's celtics
hakeem's rockets
MJ's 1st peat bulls
dr J & moses' sixers
72 lakers

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this kid thinks today's top 4 team(heat, spurs, thunder, pacers/clippers) will clown stomp those teams above. that's what he is basically saying.
 
Dude, get over yourself. You are a pathetic jerk who is unable to maintain a civilized discussion. Better get back to your VCR and keep jerking on highlights.
 
how can anybody have a civilized conversation with somebody who knows nothing about basketball? someone who thinks pacers, rockets, blazers, clippers would clownstomp showtime lakers? someone who thinks this spurs would demolish showtime lakers & 86 celtics? that's like having a civilized conversation with someone who thinks justin bieber is better than michael jackson at pop. i'm not gonna allow this madness.

bunch of overrated POS. i bet Magic would look and play like boris diaw in today's nba. kareem would look like slower hibbert. lol
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here is a history lesson for those who disses showtime lakers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knc-jutpFHU&feature=player_embedded

87 lakers are my personal favorite. they were just so fun to watch. if you blink, they will run you out of the gym. one game i remember - lakers playing lowly kings. theus and thorpe i believe. lakers started hot. very very hot. 1st qtr score? 40-4. showtime lakers would embarrass you if you don't come to play.

basketball is more than how high you jump, how quick you move. it's all about trusting each other, knowing what they are doing, play tough D, be ready mentally & physically, and be smart. and pass the damn ball.
 
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head to head.

kareem vs. hakeem
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=olajuha01&p2=abdulka01

kareem retired at the age of 41 in 88. so all of those above seasons are after kareem was declining badly. kareem was the 2nd option. he was a robin. this old kareem dropped 3 40+ games between 85-86 against hakeem. he dominated hakeem alot if you look at the box office carefully up until when he really declined in his final 2 years. i've seen many of these games in person and kareem got his whenever he wanted. look at the fg%. dropping 46/11 .700% against hakeem/sampson combo at the age of 38. absolutely ridiculous. just imagine what would prime mvp kareem would do to young hakeem. hakeem at stage was an absolutely nasty athlete. his offense wasn't as good yet, but he would compensate for his sick athleticism and instinct. naturally quick jumper and just knew how to position himself to grab that rebound and block shots. he was a true intimidator.

kareem vs. ewing
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=abdulka01&p2=ewingpa01

kareem and ewing didn't play much, but again late 30's kareem clearly was superior. just look at the fg%. held ewing to .446%! even dropped 40 on him once. but i'm sure tiago splitter or hibbert would dominate puny 39 year old kareem. just look at how muscular ibaka is! i bet chris bosh can hold his own against kareem too because well kareem is skinny bald 39 year old who can only do skyhook. lol


now let's look at kareem vs. parish in 86-88, same period
https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=abdulka01&p2=parisro01

you won't see any 40/10 monster games by kareem. parish actually does great job against kareem. but of course parish would get dominated by tiago splitter because he is a slow porker.





so if my math is correct

ibaka > splitter > 39 year old kareem > parish > 24 year old hakeem > 24 year old ewing
 
spycam1 said:
The Pacers play their last game of the season tonight.
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Agreed.

I had heat in 7...... you win this one.

(Also had spurs in 7)
 
fishonjazz said:
Agreed.

I had heat in 7...... you win this one.

(Also had spurs in 7)
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I think if Ibaka had been healthy from the get-go then they could have pulled off that series. He got them back into it, but I just don't see them winning two in a row again.

The Spurs will get their rematch against the Heat.
 
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