Following potential 2014 draftees

[Stifle Tower]

One thing Lindsay has talked about endlessly is how the Jazz need shooters. That its a shooting league and we need shooters.

I've said it 100 times and I'll keep saying it. We are moving up or back. We aren't picking at #5. We are moving up or moving down. We will end up with one of the top 3 or McDermott. Picks 4-7 don't help us. The question is, what would we want from Sacramento? What would they want from us? Who knows. I think all hell breaks loose on draft day. Multiple trades every which way.

Vonleh won't help us? Gordon wouldn't help us?
Jazz move back for McDermott and they end up with a bench player. Sure, he's an elite shooter. But he can't guard starting SF's.
So after our tank, the Jazz end up with a bench player and some kind of protected pick in a couple of years. At LEAST draft a player who has starting potential, whether that be Vonleh, Gordon or Smart.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

One thing Lindsay has talked about endlessly is how the Jazz need shooters. That its a shooting league and we need shooters.

I've said it 100 times and I'll keep saying it. We are moving up or back. We aren't picking at #5. We are moving up or moving down. We will end up with one of the top 3 or McDermott. Picks 4-7 don't help us. The question is, what would we want from Sacramento? What would they want from us? Who knows. I think all hell breaks loose on draft day. Multiple trades every which way.

nosactown has a lot of bad contracts. I think taking a bad contract and the ability to switch picks in the future might get it done. say Carl Landry or Jason Thompson.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

Vonleh won't help us? Gordon wouldn't help us?
Jazz move back for McDermott and they end up with a bench player. Sure, he's an elite shooter. But he can't guard starting SF's.
So after our tank, the Jazz end up with a bench player and some kind of protected pick in a couple of years. At LEAST draft a player who has starting potential, whether that be Vonleh, Gordon or Smart.

I have said this before and I am saying it again. draft Gordon at 5 then move up to draft McDermott. Gordon can defend sfs. McDermott can shoot.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I have said this before and I am saying it again. draft Gordon at 5 then move up to draft McDermott. Gordon can defend sfs. McDermott can shoot.

And McDermott guards Aldridge, Blake, Nene? No thanks. If you don't think McDermott can play SF you pass. It's a better idea just to let Hayward play SF and trade up for Stauskas. He gives you 90% of McDermott's shooting, more playmaking, and has a true position, SG.

 

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Seriously, people overrate individual defense today. With the no grabbing rule, no one plays shut down defense. There are a handful of guys who play great/good defense in the NBA. Do you think Seth Curry defends well? James Harden? Carmelo? Dirk? Korver? In the NBA it is more about schemes and team defense. Yes there are guys like Noah but even Paul George gets abused sometimes. McDermott isn't a walking stiff, he has athleticism and he plays hard. Do I want him defending the go to guy, no but is there any guy on the Jazz who is going to shut down Dirk, James, Durrant, etc.

The Jazz need to have defensive system implemented and then teach good team defense. Watch the Spurs they play very good team defense. There is no way the Jazz get McDermott unless they move back in the draft but I think he is being underrated because he can make shots which is just as or more important in some cases than defense.

There is absolutely no doubt that the jazz need better individual defenders. None.

I agree that team schemes are most important, but, yeah.... we suck for multiple reasons, not just schematics.

 

[Game6Conley]

McDermott weighed in at 208 at the combine, i'd bet next season he gets the lionshare of his minutes at SF.

anyway in light of the Chandler Parsons RFA news, i give you my "never have to worry about shooting again" offseason

Vonleh @5.
Trade 23 and 35 for Stauskas.
Re-Sign Richard Jefferson for pennies.
Sign Chandler Parsons (let hayward walk).
Patty Mills at backup money.
Bring over Tomic.
Sign Michael Beasley to a modest deal

which looks something like;

Trey // Mills // Garrett
Burks // Stauskas
Parsons // Beasley // Jefferson
Favors // Vonleh // Evans
Tomic // Kanter // Gobert

 

[The Midnight]

McDermott weighed in at 208 at the combine, i'd bet next season he gets the lionshare of his minutes at SF.

anyway in light of the Chandler Parsons RFA news, i give you my "never have to worry about shooting again" offseason

Vonleh @5.
Trade 23 and 35 for Stauskas.
Re-Sign Richard Jefferson for pennies.
Sign Chandler Parsons (let hayward walk).
Patty Mills at backup money.
Bring over Tomic.
Sign Michael Beasley to a modest deal

which looks something like;

Trey // Mills // Garrett
Burks // Stauskas
Parsons // Beasley // Jefferson
Favors // Vonleh // Evans
Tomic // Kanter // Gobert

Not a winning roster IMO... has too much of a TOR feel to it with Tomic at C (ala Bargnani at C ).


I'd play Favors at C and Vonleh starts at PF... I do like Parsons over Hayward.. draft K.J. McDaniels and have him back up Parsons/Burks.

 

[Game6Conley]

That team is really young so i figured id start Tomic, even if Vonleh is ready to start I dont think id do it, Im not saying limit his minutes but starting him is asking for foul trouble

all combinations of Vonleh - Favors - Kanter - Gobert - Tomic interest me. (except Gobert and Tomic)... that'd be a hell of a bigman rotation moving forward.. someone gets traded for sure.

 

[BTP]

Yep.

Hornacek was a poor defender too.
I dont really know if ray allen, mike miller, danny green, reggie miller, are good defenders or not but they all can shoot so well that they are valuable.

Even a guy like bellinelli has had a decent career.

I could see mcdermott playing a similar role to danillo gallinari

Healthy Gallinari? I doubt that. But quadrupel double surgery Gallinari -> I can see that.

Seriously, people overrate individual defense today. With the no grabbing rule, no one plays shut down defense. There are a handful of guys who play great/good defense in the NBA. Do you think Seth Curry defends well? James Harden? Carmelo? Dirk? Korver? In the NBA it is more about schemes and team defense. Yes there are guys like Noah but even Paul George gets abused sometimes. McDermott isn't a walking stiff, he has athleticism and he plays hard. Do I want him defending the go to guy, no but is there any guy on the Jazz who is going to shut down Dirk, James, Durrant, etc.

The Jazz need to have defensive system implemented and then teach good team defense. Watch the Spurs they play very good team defense. There is no way the Jazz get McDermott unless they move back in the draft but I think he is being underrated because he can make shots which is just as or more important in some cases than defense.

There is first of all 1 difference in today's league and the 80s, 90s. You have mostly at least 8 people on your roster who are valuable basketball players and have a skillset. So you can't triple team Jordan, leave 1 on Pippen and have 1 cover the rest of the floor where some untalented scrubs are staying around waiting for something to happen.

The no cheap shotting is kinda good. Because it's basketball and not boxing. Or would you guys attend school meetings weekly because your kid saw LeBron punch someone's balls and then imitates that at school on teachers and other kids?

Also I think having at least 1 elite defender on your roster on the position where the best players in the league play is valuable. Lateral quickness, strength, running screens smartly and having good communication with your rim protector go a long way. This way you can diminish impact of several MVP candidates. LeBron is the first and Durant also struggled this season when he saw new defensive schemes against him to take away his dribbling and give him better looks.

McDermott weighed in at 208 at the combine, i'd bet next season he gets the lionshare of his minutes at SF.

anyway in light of the Chandler Parsons RFA news, i give you my "never have to worry about shooting again" offseason

Vonleh @5.
Trade 23 and 35 for Stauskas.
Re-Sign Richard Jefferson for pennies.
Sign Chandler Parsons (let hayward walk).
Patty Mills at backup money.
Bring over Tomic.
Sign Michael Beasley to a modest deal

which looks something like;

Trey // Mills // Garrett
Burks // Stauskas
Parsons // Beasley // Jefferson
Favors // Vonleh // Evans
Tomic // Kanter // Gobert

#8seed
#defensewhere?
#1stoption?

Would rather shop my whole team for pennis Philly style and wait another 3 year than watch this Titanic sink slowly for half a decade until everyone leaves.

 

[Nate505]

Vonleh won't help us? Gordon wouldn't help us?
Jazz move back for McDermott and they end up with a bench player. Sure, he's an elite shooter. But he can't guard starting SF's.
So after our tank, the Jazz end up with a bench player and some kind of protected pick in a couple of years. At LEAST draft a player who has starting potential, whether that be Vonleh, Gordon or Smart.

I loathe the idea of trading down. Trading down in the NBA is extremely dumb in most cases.

 

[fishonjazz]

Re-Sign Richard Jefferson for pennies.

Jefferson wants to go to a contender.
Jazz were just a stepping stone for him

 

[cowhide]

McDermott weighed in at 208 at the combine, i'd bet next season he gets the lionshare of his minutes at SF.

anyway in light of the Chandler Parsons RFA news, i give you my "never have to worry about shooting again" offseason

Vonleh @5.
Trade 23 and 35 for Stauskas.
Re-Sign Richard Jefferson for pennies.
Sign Chandler Parsons (let hayward walk).
Patty Mills at backup money.
Bring over Tomic.
Sign Michael Beasley to a modest deal

which looks something like;

Trey // Mills // Garrett
Burks // Stauskas
Parsons // Beasley // Jefferson
Favors // Vonleh // Evans
Tomic // Kanter // Gobert

There is no reason to bring back Jefferson. He wants to play for a contender. Beasley?

 

[cowhide]

There is absolutely no doubt that the jazz need better individual defenders. None.

I agree that team schemes are most important, but, yeah.... we suck for multiple reasons, not just schematics.

They also need shooters.

 

[orangello]

I think you would trade Burke for a bag of pretzels and a buy one get one free coupon to McDonald's.

You're getting me and fixed confused.

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[Hotdog]

I hope we can draft somewhere in the late lottery or mid teens this year. I know the Jazz don't want anymore youth but there could be some gems there.

My wish list for the draft if is


1. Move up for Jabari or Wiggins.

2. Draft Gordon, Exum, or Smart

3. Move up into the late lottery and select one or more of the following
TJ Warren
McDermott
Stauskas
Lavine

 

[stormkoopacv03]

I hope we can draft somewhere in the late lottery or mid teens this year. I know the Jazz don't want anymore youth but there could be some gems there.

My wish list for the draft if is


1. Move up for Jabari or Wiggins.

2. Draft Gordon, Exum, or Smart

3. Move up into the late lottery and select one or more of the following
TJ Warren
McDermott
Stauskas
Lavine

If we do move down, I'm game for Dougie Mcbuckets.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I have said this before and I am saying it again. draft Gordon at 5 then move up to draft McDermott. Gordon can defend sfs. McDermott can shoot.

The only problem is that we're not playing football. You can't switch each time you go down the court. Besides, to trade into the top 10-12 to get McDermott is going to require a player and the #23. Is he worth Burks or Kanter?

The problem the Jazz have had for a LONG time is too many one-dimensional players (Boozer, Memo, AK, Brewer, Kanter, Favors). It's one of the reasons I'd be scared to death of taking Parker. To me, there is a clear top-3 in this draft: Embiid, Wiggins and Vonleh. Those are the three players most likely to be impact players on both ends of the court. Parker is going to be Carmelo without the attitude. Exum, Gordon and Smart have questionable shots. Gordon would be my second choice at #5, though. He's at least a great player defensively and would bring some fire.

 

[SojoDave]

I like McDaniels, but man, his shot is ugly. Elbows out wide, and he hurries his shot at the end. If he could become a descent shooter, he would be awesome.

 

[Game6Conley]

I definitely think McDaniels is more of a project than some are making him out to be, at 6'6 196lbs he just doesn't have the same appeal as when he first hit the scene, IMO.

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[dy47]

I do not have the link, but Hoopshype has Orlando bringing in Smart for a second look. If it is not a smoke screen that could be big for us.

You're right, it could be a smoke screen. They might believe that a couple of teams behind them covet Smart.