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yall just enjoy putting my posts under the microscope and picking at them.

thriller changes his tune from Patty Mills is eddie house, to hes better than Trey Burke, with Hantlers agreeing, in about 2 posts.

I do enjoy running laps around you fools when it actually comes to talking basketball, which is what this forum is here for.. right?... talking basketball?

#Saric5th

The main idea I'm getting at is that I feel Patty Mill's best role is as an energy player coming off the bench.

Yes, he has good shooting percentages, but how much of that is because of the Spurs offense? It's similar to how the Jazz used to have quality role players under Jerry Sloan who would get larger contracts from other teams, and promptly play worse. The system makes a difference.

Do I think Mills is bad? Not at all. Do I think he's the starting PG on a quality team? Not at all.

But yeah, keep on comparing the percentages of a player who got put in beneficial spots and was basically only asked to shoot, and a player who was asked to run an offense as a rookie. There's no difference there. Nope, not at all.

And it's funny you keep on bringing up Saric. Yes, I like him as a prospect. I don't believe that I advocated him with the 5th pick, but you can keep on saying that if you wish. I could bring up how you thought Alec Burks would be a great PG, or how Alex Len was a 97 out of 100 on your scale. Who cares though? We all miss on players and we all hit on some players. The only person who seems to give a **** is you.
 
So....DraftExpress still has Aaron Gordon at #10 in their mock draft.

They must not be fans. They put him behind Stauskas.

Aaron Gordon's being mocked low because of his college year. But if he had shot the ball strongly in workouts could rise to 5 with his age and athleticism. The Jazz probably called him back to see if he could replicate his first shooting performance with them.
 
The main idea I'm getting at is that I feel Patty Mill's best role is as an energy player coming off the bench.

Yes, he has good shooting percentages, but how much of that is because of the Spurs offense? It's similar to how the Jazz used to have quality role players under Jerry Sloan who would get larger contracts from other teams, and promptly play worse. The system makes a difference.

Do I think Mills is bad? Not at all. Do I think he's the starting PG on a quality team? Not at all.

But yeah, keep on comparing the percentages of a player who got put in beneficial spots and was basically only asked to shoot, and a player who was asked to run an offense as a rookie. There's no difference there. Nope, not at all.

And it's funny you keep on bringing up Saric. Yes, I like him as a prospect. I don't believe that I advocated him with the 5th pick, but you can keep on saying that if you wish. I could bring up how you thought Alec Burks would be a great PG, or how Alex Len was a 97 out of 100 on your scale. Who cares though? We all miss on players and we all hit on some players. The only person who seems to give a **** is you.

I brought up in 2012, that Alec Burks this past season would be like the Linsanity year and can handle some PG duties, which was fairly close, he brought up the ball a bunch.

Alex Len was in consideration for #1 overall last year, he has true size and post moves, a mid-range jumper and hes young, in that draft he still stands out as a prospect.

Do i need to outline the fact that Centers take longer to develop in the NBA than any other position for you?
 
But yeah, keep on comparing the percentages of a player who got put in beneficial spots and was basically only asked to shoot, and a player who was asked to run an offense as a rookie. There's no difference there. Nope, not at all.

So you absolve the differences in shooting percentages because of role?

Trey is forgiven, and Patty is expected to shoot outstanding %'s... that seems fair.

you dont think hes a starting quality PG, so be it.

Phil Jackson seems to think he is, what do you have to say about that? hes wrong? Popovic speaks about him glowingly aswell

“He’s a special guy. His energy has been important to us all year long. He’s a real significant reason why we got to the finals. Obviously he’s also played well in the finals but the energy, that team sense that he has, it has been infectious.”

Patty should **** up pretty bad this summer running the team for Australia i guess... right? hes a system player?
 
So....DraftExpress still has Aaron Gordon at #10 in their mock draft.

They must not be fans. They put him behind Stauskas.
they dont read jazzfanz thats why.



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Sorry if it's already been posted, I must have missed it, but didn't anyone hear how the Cavs weren't happy with Jabari's workout?

They feel like he purposely dogged it because he doesn't want to be drafted by craptown.

Tony Parks and the other guy were pretty funny. They had a contest on the radio today for the worst things to do to tank a workout. lol. One of the things was call the coach by the wrong name.

I don't know if Jabari tried that one or not. I wouldn't blame him if he did. I have no clue who their coach is now. Is Mike Brown gonna try out a 3rd time? 3rd time's the charm, right?
 
They just hired Blatt. Could see how a young American player might not know who one of the best European coaches is. Doubt he'd do that. Makes me wonder if this isn't mis-information to justify picking Wiggins. It's not our fault, it's Jabari's.
 
They just hired Blatt. Could see how a young American player might not know who one of the best European coaches is. Doubt he'd do that. Makes me wonder if this isn't mis-information to justify picking Wiggins. It's not our fault, it's Jabari's.

Maybe.

I'm sure Cleveland will find a way to screw it up.

The segment was pretty funny. I don't know if it's available on podcast but it was funny.
 
lol

Let them have their fun. It's not hurting anyone.

I think he will wait 3 years now to come over. Making more money in Europe than he would being picked 11th or 12th. Once the 3 years is up he can come over and make more than the rookie deal. Kind of like Mirotic is going to do.
 
IF he is there at 23 you take him. We would probably have to wait 3 years. The Bulls have done the same with Mirotic. By the way for our European posters, any reason Mirotic's minutes are down lately?

Shooting slump

no one did, but people are quick to throw away Alec, i say Trey is easier to replace.

Patty Mills isnt going to cost what some of these top PG's will, he has not shown the propensity to turn the ball over more in extended minutes, hes asked to shoot plenty for the spurs and he does it at a prolific rate.

for all the 'we need to swing for a homerun' garbage i read about the 5th pick, Id much prefer to swing for a Homerun by signing the dude who just torched the finals, hoping he shoots the lights out.

Patty will showcase his talents running a team for Australia at the FIBA's this summer too.

also its rumored Phil Jackson wants him as the PG of the Knicks, I like that endorsement. They are going to try and offer him their Mid-level exception.

I have no problem giving Patty alittle more than that, 19 mil over 3 years works,

How is adding the centerpiece at #5 garbage. How else are you going to do it? Do you really think star players don't matter?
I guarantee you that Kawhi Leonard will get significantly more whistles on offense after this year's playoffs and also less on defense being in the DPOY conversation now.
Having someone you can turn to once your offense doesn't work for a couple possessions is crucial for good teams.

So the urgency of ending the rebuild with your franchise player is important. Even if the Jazz don't get instant impact by their addition next season, they won't finish below 30 wins if Snyder can coach. Next season it's a lower pick in a draft that isn't as deep as this one. Would make you rely more on luck to find your George/Leonard/Drummond with a double digit pick.

It's also obvi why Jackson likes him. He wants to play triangle, and his shooting with an extra degree from the Spurs passing school make him an ideal fit for that style. #bangforthebuck

So....DraftExpress still has Aaron Gordon at #10 in their mock draft.

They must not be fans. They put him behind Stauskas.

Givony doesn't like his skill level. You can see that in various radio appearances where he discusses the draft. Can't say how executives feel about it, and if their opinions are a match to his.
If it's only his opinion he'll put him higher in his last mock an hour before the draft begins. NBAdraft.net doesn't like him as well, others I have seen have him very low.

The main idea I'm getting at is that I feel Patty Mill's best role is as an energy player coming off the bench.

Yes, he has good shooting percentages, but how much of that is because of the Spurs offense? It's similar to how the Jazz used to have quality role players under Jerry Sloan who would get larger contracts from other teams, and promptly play worse. The system makes a difference.

Do I think Mills is bad? Not at all. Do I think he's the starting PG on a quality team? Not at all.

But yeah, keep on comparing the percentages of a player who got put in beneficial spots and was basically only asked to shoot, and a player who was asked to run an offense as a rookie. There's no difference there. Nope, not at all.

And it's funny you keep on bringing up Saric. Yes, I like him as a prospect. I don't believe that I advocated him with the 5th pick, but you can keep on saying that if you wish. I could bring up how you thought Alec Burks would be a great PG, or how Alex Len was a 97 out of 100 on your scale. Who cares though? We all miss on players and we all hit on some players. The only person who seems to give a **** is you.

One difference is that teams were hunting the Spurs, watching film of Mills, game planning a little.
Teams that played the Jazz, didn't do a lot of preparation. So Burke had a lot of room for error at hand.
Burke's age was more like the typical junior when he entered. Other guys have had faster learning processes, but I'm willing to give him another look next season and see what he can do.
But if you put a good offer on the table, I'll take it and let him walk.

Y'all saw Saric just signed a 3 yr deal in Not-America, right?


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No reliable source. If my memory doesn't trick me, Ford was involved in the previous report that linked Saric to Turkey, which was a bitter ex agent talking out of his ***.
Givony is very close to Saric. If a contract had been signed indeed there would be a tweet from him.
So I'm waiting for an official statement and not some rumour from Ford...
 
Aaron Gordon's being mocked low because of his college year. But if he had shot the ball strongly in workouts could rise to 5 with his age and athleticism. The Jazz probably called him back to see if he could replicate his first shooting performance with them.
interesting thay before gordons second workout we were hearing that the jazz were offering #5 and favors for #1.

after seeing gordon a second time, they seem to be upping the offer (adding burks)

maybe gordon didnt impress the 2nd time around and the jazz are not very happy with the crop of players available at 5
 
interesting thay before gordons second workout we were hearing that the jazz were offering #5 and favors for #1.

after seeing gordon a second time, they seem to be upping the offer (adding burks)

maybe gordon didnt impress the 2nd time around and the jazz are not very happy with the crop of players available at 5

Or maybe Cleveland called the Jazz back and said you have to sweeten the deal because Philly just offered....
 
interesting thay before gordons second workout we were hearing that the jazz were offering #5 and favors for #1.

after seeing gordon a second time, they seem to be upping the offer (adding burks)

maybe gordon didnt impress the 2nd time around and the jazz are not very happy with the crop of players available at 5

Question is did Gordon's workout happen before or after Burks was thrown in. These rumors don't happen on a perfect day to day timeline. If Cleveland showed lax interest after Burks was thrown in, DL might have already told Griffin to screw himself and we are talking about ancient history.
 
What do you guys think about Walter Tavares of Spain? He's a 7-3 project center that's got some potential. He and Gobert splitting minutes at the 5 spot and have Favors play the 4 all the time?
 
So you absolve the differences in shooting percentages because of role?

Trey is forgiven, and Patty is expected to shoot outstanding %'s... that seems fair.

you dont think hes a starting quality PG, so be it.

Phil Jackson seems to think he is, what do you have to say about that? hes wrong? Popovic speaks about him glowingly aswell

“He’s a special guy. His energy has been important to us all year long. He’s a real significant reason why we got to the finals. Obviously he’s also played well in the finals but the energy, that team sense that he has, it has been infectious.”

Patty should **** up pretty bad this summer running the team for Australia i guess... right? hes a system player?

You're putting words into my mouth. Do I expect Mills shooting numbers to decrease if he is placed in a starting role in a different system? Yes. Would I expect Trey's to increase with a backup role in a different system, where literally all he has to worry about it shooting? Yes. See, pretty simple.

And Phil Jackson can think what he wants. He isn't always right either. You'll also notice Popovich called Mills an energy player in that quote...which is exactly what I said.

As for the system...is he a system player? Maybe, maybe not. Does that system inflate his numbers and make him look better than he actually is? Absolutely, IMO.
 
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