Rumor: Jazz prepared to match 'any offer' for Hayward.

[Stifle Tower]

Yes, sort of. The danger is that it could backfire--if a team like Portland KNOWS the Jazz will match, then they could make a ridiculous offer because there's no chance they'd get stuck with Hayward for that price.

But for 3 days, they have to clear that space off their books and have it remain frozen. And I don't think that clock starts ticking until July 10th, IINM. Teams can negotiate, but not actually put ink to paper. So from July 1st to 13th (or whenever the deal is presented to the Jazz), a team is completely exposed, especially when they know it's likely Utah matches even a MAX contract for Hayward. Max contract leaves the Jazz with still $15M or so UNDER the cap. And it's not like we're holding that space open for Lebron or Carmelo.

 

[da ThRONe]

not even remotely similar to ak. the salary structure is way different. AK was like 30% of the salary cap at the end of his deal. Hayward at best with get the 4 year mini max, which will cap at about 16 million on a much larger salary cap. You are comparing apples and oranges.

The cap situation is a lot more strict now. So over spending for guys under the last CBA was as damaging as it is under the new CBA.

 

[Litany]

Can't understand him getting more than $12.

Ibaka-$12.25
Noah-$12.5
Horford-$12.0
Parker-$12.5
Curry-$12.0

I'd take any of those guys over Hayward. Can't imagine him being worth more. Those guys are all elite at something. Hayward is elite at nothing. He's average to above average at everything.

 

[framer]

Yes, sort of. The danger is that it could backfire--if a team like Portland KNOWS the Jazz will match, then they could make a ridiculous offer because there's no chance they'd get stuck with Hayward for that price.

There are very few teams that have as good a cap situation as Utah does right now. Any "poison pills" will likely hurt the team writing them into the contract more than they will the Jazz. I actually don't think the Jazz would match a Max contract, but then I don't think anyone will be offering him one either as he is worth more to the Jazz than to anyone else with the cap room to sign him to a max contract, and they all know that. He is certainly not a fall back for missing on Lebron or Carmello.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Can't understand him getting more than $12.

Ibaka-$12.25
Noah-$12.5
Horford-$12.0
Parker-$12.5
Curry-$12.0

I'd take any of those guys over Hayward. Can't imagine him being worth more. Those guys are all elite at something. Hayward is elite at nothing. He's average to above average at everything.

Batum is his most comparable player. The ones you just listed aren't comparable.

 

[DForceAUS]

Matching any offer on Hayward = not re-signing Burks.

Thats unfortunately a possibility, I cant see him being worth more than 12mil, that considering we are overpaying at 12mil because we have problems attracting LeBron types. I prefer we keep Burks
I hope this is just a scare to keep others from throwing big dollars at Hayward

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

Can't understand him getting more than $12.

Ibaka-$12.25
Noah-$12.5
Horford-$12.0
Parker-$12.5
Curry-$12.0

I'd take any of those guys over Hayward. Can't imagine him being worth more. Those guys are all elite at something. Hayward is elite at nothing. He's average to above average at everything.

I don't disagree but this is sort of cherry picking. Gordo's agent will likely point to someone like Nic Batum (due 24M the next two years) and say that he's younger, been in an awful situation with Corbin, that salaries go up year over year, blah blah blah, or something like this, and look to get him around 14M, something he's not worth imo. If we can get him at 13M per so that the salary decreases as much as is allowed year over year according to the CBA, I think I would match, though personally I feel he's worth more like 9-9.5M. Unless it means we definitely wouldn't re-sign Burks. Then all bets are off.

I really hope Lindsey's sat down with the kid, without his agent there, and pointed to the Spurs' success and what it takes to keep a core together as far as salary sacrifices go. I doubt that's the case but I hope so.

 

[Stifle Tower]

The cap situation is a lot more strict now. So over spending for guys under the last CBA was as damaging as it is under the new CBA.

Not really. Contracts are only 4 years (if you are matching). Jazz can EASILY absorb contracts for Hayward, Favors, Burks and Kanter The overlap will come in 2017/18 when Hayward and Favors would have big deals, Kanter and Burks may have been re-signed and Burke and Gobert will be due new contracts. Still, though, it's not inconceivable the Jazz could STILL be under the tax threshold and retain all those players.

And one year over the tax is no big deal. The real penalties start for "repeat" offenders.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I would be surprised if he got a max deal. Can't see it exceeding 4 years/52m, which would be crazy enough.

This. And my question would be, what is the most each of us (if we were Lindsey) would be willing to match? My limit is 13M with decreasing salaries year over year.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I really hope Lindsey's sat down with the kid, without his agent there, and pointed to the Spurs' success and what it takes to keep a core together as far as salary sacrifices go. I doubt that's the case but I hope so.

Never going to happen with ANY player. Once you start talking contracts/$, it's like talking to a suspect without a lawyer. NBPA would protest like crazy if this happened. I'll bet the Jazz put their "final" offer from last season on the table and make it sound like it's a huge favor to Hayward because of his terrible season, but they want to show good faith and believe he'll have a better season, even though they're taking a HUGE risk in good faith with their offer. That will be their first "early-bird" offer. If he signs the offer remains. If he doesn't, Jazz will start looking elsewhere and there's no guarantee the contract is still available after July 1st. But his choice, if he feels he can get a better offer sheet, they may/may not match. If he doesn't get an offer sheet, the Jazz might reduce their offer.

 

[da ThRONe]

Not really. Contracts are only 4 years (if you are matching). Jazz can EASILY absorb contracts for Hayward, Favors, Burks and Kanter The overlap will come in 2017/18 when Hayward and Favors would have big deals, Kanter and Burks may have been re-signed and Burke and Gobert will be due new contracts. Still, though, it's not inconceivable the Jazz could STILL be under the tax threshold and retain all those players.

And one year over the tax is no big deal. The real penalties start for "repeat" offenders.

The problem becomes if you want to sign FA. Ultimately the goal is to get good enough to where you can get a vet to come to play with your core if you have the money to compensate them.

 

[GVC]

The problem becomes if you want to sign FA. Ultimately the goal is to get good enough to where you can get a vet to come to play with your core if you have the money to compensate them.

If the Jazz are planning to keep Hayward, Burks and Kanter, they won't have cap space no matter what Hayward gets.

 

[Stifle Tower]

The problem becomes if you want to sign FA. Ultimately the goal is to get good enough to where you can get a vet to come to play with your core if you have the money to compensate them.

We're so deep, I just don't see room for FA's...unless we have a youngster that doesn't develop. And in that case, we wouldn't offer a new contract (e.g. if Burke continues to shoot <40% and dribble like he's stuck in molasses).

Bigs: Favors (34), Kanter (32), Gobert (20), Evans (10). OK, get a veteran to replace Jeremy. Tomic coming over? Young guy provides injury insurance.
SF's: Hayward (35), Hood (13). Don't need anyone else. Again, young guy or vet on a minimum contract is signed for injury insurance.
Guards: Burke, Burks, Exum: Give each 32 mins. We're set. JLIII is the backup this year. Neto comes over next season on a rookie contract.

 

[cowhide]

not even remotely similar to ak. the salary structure is way different. AK was like 30% of the salary cap at the end of his deal. Hayward at best with get the 4 year mini max, which will cap at about 16 million on a much larger salary cap. You are comparing apples and oranges.

The Jazz would have to be morons to pay Hayward 16 million a year.

 

[Stifle Tower]

The Jazz would have to be morons to pay Hayward 16 million a year.

What about going after Deng instead? Cleveland won't be keeping him.
By all accounts he's a terrific locker room guy. I'd make an offer to Hayward and then call Deng's agent. First one to sign gets the deal.

 

[cowhide]

I don't disagree but this is sort of cherry picking. Gordo's agent will likely point to someone like Nic Batum (due 24M the next two years) and say that he's younger, been in an awful situation with Corbin, that salaries go up year over year, blah blah blah, or something like this, and look to get him around 14M, something he's not worth imo. If we can get him at 13M per so that the salary decreases as much as is allowed year over year according to the CBA, I think I would match, though personally I feel he's worth more like 9-9.5M. Unless it means we definitely wouldn't re-sign Burks. Then all bets are off.

I really hope Lindsey's sat down with the kid, without his agent there, and pointed to the Spurs' success and what it takes to keep a core together as far as salary sacrifices go. I doubt that's the case but I hope so.

You have to realize that Batum was signed to an offer sheet by Minnesota and overpaid thinking Portland would n't match but Portland matched but were upset with Minnesota because they thought the T-Wolves gave a ridiculous offer.

 

[cowhide]

What about going after Deng instead? Cleveland won't be keeping him.
By all accounts he's a terrific locker room guy. I'd make an offer to Hayward and then call Deng's agent. First one to sign gets the deal.

I would definitely take Deng over Hayward. I think Deng is a better player overall even though it is close and we could probably get him for about $10 million a year.

 

[cowhide]

:^O

This guy has no credibility with me. The Jazz are a business and you don't overspend out of loyalty or fear if you want to be in business. Jazz are not going to spend $16 million on Hayward. If they do then all the good they have done is out the window in my opinion.

 

[fishonjazz]

This. And my question would be, what is the most each of us (if we were Lindsey) would be willing to match? My limit is 13M with decreasing salaries year over year.

12 mil

 

[Litany]

Batum is his most comparable player. The ones you just listed aren't comparable.

Obviously. I'm talking about value though. Those guys are paid what they are worth IMO. I don't think Hayward brings anything to the table to make him worth more than any of them. Can't use the "he's a big, big get paid" argument either.

I'm just baffled teams are said to want to throw max level money at him.