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One Brow said:
Right. I specifically disagreed about this outfit in the part right after the part you bolded.



I have trouble combining 'wants other people to look at her' and 'it is not about other people' into a coherent combination of thoughts on this outfit.



Culturally, male modesty is about respect for other men, female modesty is about not enticing men. I've never heard a comment that reveaing boxers will make women come on to you.



Some people like the feel of tight clothing, others the feel of loose clothing. Some people like to feel the sun on their skin, including their thighs.
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Then stop refrencing clothing in such a broad term when the topic was obviously specific.

So doing something because you want a reaction means its not about you? I don't follow...

So basically you want to hold me accountable for the words and actions of others in relation to modesty. Troublesome, especially when everones idea of modesty will vary.

Good for those people, they can dress anyway they want. They are adults and have the right. I guess this will just be one more area we disagree.
 
Stoked said:
So doing something because you want a reaction means its not about you? I don't follow...

So basically you want to hold me accountable for the words and actions of others in relation to modesty. Troublesome, especially when everones idea of modesty will vary.

Good for those people, they can dress anyway they want. They are adults and have the right. I guess this will just be one more area we disagree.
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Wearing something to get a reaction is about both the person wanting the reaction and the people reacting.

Ideas about what types of clothing are modest will vary greatly. The reasons for seeing bodily modesty as a virtue tend to be less variant. Why do you think modesty is a virtue? What is its value in men? In women?
 
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Wearing something to get a reaction is about both the person wanting the reaction and the people reacting.

Ideas about what types of clothing are modest will vary greatly. The reasons for seeing bodily modesty as a virtue tend to be less variant. Why do you think modesty is a virtue? What is its value in men? In women?
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It aids in the teaching of self respect, respect towards others and body image. To me the value for men and women is the same. It is about how they see themselves and wish to present themselves to the public.

Nothing inherently wrong with not being modest. Just different but different does not mean bad.

Fine, I can meet you half way that wearing super revealing, and other attention grabbing clothing, clothing is about themselves and others.
 
This thread has really gone downhill.

More pics of hot chicks in skimpy clothes please
 
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carolinajazz said:
...yeah, so you don't get her back home with "interest"........she's probably going to come home with an illegitimate, out of wedlock baby in tow?
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Why? You don't think she's smart enough to use birth control?
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OB, consider the source... it's CJ...

I'd question his ability to think beyond his own limited range of stereotypes.
You can try to push him in a different direction but it's just not going to happen.



LogGrad98 said:
No TMI is the fact that the faux leather chair I'm sitting in in my hotel room is sticking in all the wrong places....
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moevillini said:
UGLI baby said:
Mind bottling that ppl continue to respond to OP's bait threads.

Haven't read anything in the thread fyi


£¥£
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yeah, better stick to picture books...
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well log, it's better to be sticking to the faux leather chair than sticking to the picture books with UGLI!
 
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true story...

When I was a freshman/sophomore in high school my favorite T-shirt was a tight little number with "Easy Come" on the front and "Easy Go" on the back. Brought me lots of attention. I chose the occasions to wear it very judiciously... I had lots of fun with that one.
 
fishonjazz said:
This thread has really gone downhill.

More pics of hot chicks in skimpy clothes please
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"Sorry sir, we're out of chicken."
 
Lol
 
I would advise fathers to ease on their daughters. If you pressure her, she will do it anyway. If you're confident that you've raised your daughter clever enough to make the right choices and decisions in her life macro and micro, then you don't have to worry about her wearing a mini or leaving too many buttons open. Because limitation always lits the fire of rule infraction. Rules that don't make sense are there to be driven over by teenagers.
 
addictionary said:
I would advise fathers to ease on their daughters. If you pressure her, she will do it anyway. If you're confident that you've raised your daughter clever enough to make the right choices and decisions in her life macro and micro, then you don't have to worry about her wearing a mini or leaving too many buttons open. Because limitation always lits the fire of rule infraction. Rules that don't make sense are there to be driven over by teenagers.
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With mine I try to take a "meet me in the middle approach" when we are on opposite sides of an issue.
 
Stoked said:
With mine I try to take a "meet me in the middle approach" when we are on opposite sides of an issue.
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Absolutely. The most common problem with the current youth is they get spoiled too much out of over-attention and care shown, too much toys bought, too much "I wanna have this!" fulfilled so that she won't feel unsecure and no lesser than her friends and all that. But once they start to get socialized with their age group they will face problems with sharing. Same reflects to the handling of the concept of middle ground. If they are not taught they are not the center of the ****ing world, they will again have problems finding the middle ground with their parents. Friends is a different story. They are smart enough to do the necessary sacrifice to keep their friends as friends and not get their *** kicked out of the group. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. You set your child straight from the start and the rest follows. You don't, the rest follows again.

Speaking totally without personal experience but occupational knowledge and observation. So you don't have to care about anything I say.
 
It's usually a good policy to hear people out Addictionary. Even if you don't take their advice.
 
having issues with the multi-quote functions...

seems to be OK on my laptop, but doesn't format correctly with tapatalk

(wrong forum.... yeah, I know... but beware of backseat moderating)
 
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Is there a reason one of my two daughters should not dress that way?
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Yes.

I'm not saying this is what you're doing, OB, but it's not realistic to pretend our culture has evolved so far that our behavior isn't largely based on societal constructs (i.e. a man making a value statement about a woman because she is wearing "sexy" clothing). I personally don't believe it ever will-- we are a species of social creatures, which means groups of like-minded individuals will probably always try to frame this existence with some structure of common guiding values, and other groups will always oppose them. Achieving a degree of enlightenment, or whatever, that elevates humanity as a whole above our base desires is unquestionably the ideal to strive for. Hopefully, sooner than later, we'll at least stop objectifying each other/ourselves based on physical appearance. In 2014, though, I don't know whether it's the minority or the majority of us that can't see through labels and draw conclusions based on the intrinsic value of a person, but this much is true right now: Any argument that women, for example, can safely wear clothing like this without evoking prejudice-- everything from eager approval from the mentally over-sexed to utter disdain from the "traditionally-minded"-- in some form or another would be pretty weak. Is it too bad that women can't just wear what they want because it makes them feel good? Maybe. It's rather naive to say that our convoluted sense of fashion is mainly about comfort, though. It would be difficult to convince me that a girl wearing the outfit in the photograph isn't very deliberately choosing that clothing because she wants to draw attention to her body. No doubt that's her privilege-- it's her body, it's her life, etc. The argument becomes whether or not she's doing any harm-- either to herself or to society-- by dressing that way, and that is a matter of opinion. If my 13 year-old daughter decided to dress that way, I can tell you it wouldn't fly with me. I don't trust men (the majority of them, the minority?) in our society to not deduce that she is seeking something more than a compliment, and then pursue it aggressively, perhaps eventually doing her harm. And if she were trying to take some sort of stand on what she perceives to be a social injustice, I would strongly encourage her to seek out a better cause.
 
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