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I Still Support Hayward

Ben10 said:
He proved the Raps right in giving him that contract and I don't see why Gordon couldn't do the same under different conditions.
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At the end of a possession, when running the offense gets you nothing (a lot of possessions end this way for a lot of teams), DeRozan can create a decent shot. Gordo can't. It's that simple.
 
GVC said:
At the end of a possession, when running the offense gets you nothing (a lot of possessions end this way for a lot of teams), DeRozan can create a decent shot. Gordo can't. It's that simple.
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Derozan could be good. VERY good. I really like his improvement year over year.
 
Myjazz said:
I just posted this in another thread but I think it applies here.
All I know is that only three players in the league averaged these stats 16.2pts, 5.1rb, 5.2as. LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Gordon Hayward. Then if you add in 1.4st, 0.5blks there's only one guy in the NBA they did that Gordon Hayward. I don't care what any of you say if that was easy to do 35 or 40 guys would be doing it every year. If he goes back to his career average percentages he'll score over 20 a game. In a better system with better coaching you can expect everything else to go up as well. I don't even begin to see the selfish player you're talking about but I do agree with you that he plays soft when people poke him in the ear and he pouts way too much. If he can find his balls and man up and play with a little more excitement dude is legit.
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If Hayward is back to his old % numbers, it's because he's not shooting as much and I see him getting 14-16 points a game add in 5 rebounds and 5-7 assists with 1.5 stills and solid defense. I can see him making an Allstar game or two. Hayward isn't a 20 point a game scorer. If he was he'd be a top offensive option. That he isn't, but he doesn't need to be.


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Thee jazz fan said:
If Hayward is back to his old % numbers, it's because he's not shooting as much and I see him getting 14-16 points a game add in 5 rebounds and 5-7 assists with 1.5 stills and solid defense. I can see him making an Allstar game or two. Hayward isn't a 20 point a game scorer. If he was he'd be a top offensive option. That he isn't, but he doesn't need to be.


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Let me just say that Stockton and Malone couldn't get out of the west till Horny got there, and Hayward can be that guy. That's why it's critical to resign him. He helps put us over the top.


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Sexual Favors said:
https://saltcityhoops.com/why-our-gordon-hayward-comps-are-all-wrong/

Salt city wrote a decent piece for those who are scared.
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This article explains the reason we (I) see him impacting the game, but unable to say why. In the Houston game at home last year, I was able to sit 4th row and it was clear the game changed each time G went in and out. (he was subbed directly with Harden) and it was clear that G's impact was favorable. This is the same (in concept, not magnitude) as when Stockton would sit... Howard Eisley made that problem bearable, but it was such an amazing change. Stock would have "only" 15 pts and 10 assists and the impact to the game was still significant.
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There is no doubt, even as a Hayward fan, that he's not a 'max player' and I don't think anyone is saying he is. Rather, he is under valued by many fans.
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The whole "Jazz will match anything" tactic is really a "you might have him for the max, but otherwise you are wasting your time" tactic.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
I didn't but your statement had a sense of absoluteness to it. Would you let him walk at 4 years, 60M?
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First let me say I'm glad I don't have to face these tough choices like DL. I'd be lying if I said yes or no, but as it is I don't know. The way I see it if things go well and guys like Exum, and one of Burks or Kanter develop, then it's anyone's bet, but if there is little to no development then no. Hayward isn't worth it

There is just too many what ifs to say for sure. This is why I'm glad I'm not DL.


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Myjazz said:
He out plays a 8mil contract all day long. Many people just don't really understand the value of good players and how the NBA really works? The salary cap went up almost 5mil just this year. With the new TV deal the NBA estimates cap could go up to the 90-100mil range. With that 13 to 15mil you pay Hayward is nothing.
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Trust me, when I say that most of us know who's who around here, and who knows their ****.
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For some reason, your name doesn't ring a bell.
 
Zulu said:
Need to keep Hayward as either a player moving forward or a tradable asset!!!
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We wouldn't be able to trade him if he's on a max contract. At that point he's not an asset, he's a burden. I like Hayward, and would be willing to "overpay" a tad for him, I suppose, but I wouldn't touch him on a max contract.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Derozan could be good. VERY good. I really like his improvement year over year.
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Gordo's game was more polished than DeRozan's coming into the league. Easily. DeRozan seems to compete harder than Gordo, and actually comes back after every offseason having added something to his game and ready to play from day 1.

That team is scary; filled with hyper-competitive players. They'll have cap space next summer, and really only need to add a competent wing to round out the roster. Unfortunately, the best available options are restricted free agents: Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Kawhi Leonard.

Jonas/Amir/Ross/DeRozan/Lowry...gritty. Hansbrough, Patrick Patterson and Greivis Vasquez give them tremendous guard and big man depth. Just need another take-no-prisoners wing, and that team is a potential contender. Fun as hell to watch, too.
 
Harcher said:
This article explains the reason we (I) see him impacting the game, but unable to say why. In the Houston game at home last year, I was able to sit 4th row and it was clear the game changed each time G went in and out. (he was subbed directly with Harden) and it was clear that G's impact was favorable. This is the same (in concept, not magnitude) as when Stockton would sit... Howard Eisley made that problem bearable, but it was such an amazing change. Stock would have "only" 15 pts and 10 assists and the impact to the game was still significant.
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I just don't see it. He was slow/lazy rotating and closing out on shooters this past season, and he can be beat off the bounce by quick or physical wings (can also be posted up by physical wings). On the other end, he doesn't bend the defense; he gets played straight up. His pull-up game improved toward the end of the season, but I'm not convinced it's effective enough to leverage defenses (yet?).

Gordo's a smart player; makes quick reads, generally makes the right play. But good teams will have at least a couple better on-ball players, rendering Gordo's extras of little value.

Keep in mind, part of the reason Gordo is making a noticeable impact is because the best on-ball perimeter player the Jazz have had since Deron left is Devin Harris.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Here's a useful article that compared Hayward to Parsons, Thompson, Leonard and Burks.

https://saltcityhoops.com/why-our-gordon-hayward-comps-are-all-wrong/


Interestingly, in his recent podcast, Locke said that very few in the league consider Parsons to be Hayward's equal. I know I quote Locke a lot, but he has insights and inside info that you simply can't find on this board.
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He's also a company man to the end. His arguments frequently lack internal consistency, and always support the decisions management makes.
 
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