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Israel Commences Ground Invasion into Gaza.

JimLes said:
Excellent snarky, one liners and of course, Nazi comparisons. True hallmarks of an intelligent internet user.
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FWIW, I'd rather be a complete ****ing moron than the dude doubling down on ethnic cleansing.
 
GVC said:
I'm guessing most people consider mass murder worse than not being charitable.
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no because arabs dont give a **** about eachother.
using kids as human shields.
using hospitals and school as bases of attack.

so who is the mass murder the guy using kids as bulletproofvest while aiming rockets at civilian targets.
or good guy iosrael who warns before attacking a base of attack.


btw sometimes israel anounces where they will attack, civilians go to roofs of those buildings.
willing casulaties of war bro
 
Stoked said:
That would work but it'll never ever happen. The Jews will never allow some one else to control them ever again. I understand the driving force behind that. And it's a completely legitimate one but they take it to such drastic extremes that the weaken the validity of it.
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I don't expect that it will happen. I also don't expect peace in Israel in my lifetime. Particularly insidious hatred. Either side would murder every man, woman, and child of the other if they could get away with it.
 
I would like to rush to scene and shout out loud
"stop you fools are cousins semites and ismailetis (sic.) that is.
stop this zero-sum-game and start yielding the fruits of peace, but that will not happen.

funny thing is; arians and/mongols of this forum chose to believe in semitic religions.
 
also everyone who gets his info from wahetever media only should stfu and chill.


what you see in media wheter it be cnn, fox, al jazeera
it is not the whole picture.

go talk to civilians and soldiers.

the media is just trying to make money of the suffering of both people.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Yep that's right I re-read it.


Apart from that bit, what do you think of the whole situation?
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I think that what stoked said is correct. As long as both groups are there, there will always be fighting.
One grouo needs to be removed.

Or like i said, hopefully a natural disaster comes along and wipes the gaza strip off the face of the earth
 
GVC said:
I'm guessing most people consider mass murder worse than not being charitable.
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Does the "not being charitable" add to the mass murders though?

if being charitable could help stop the fighting then maybe not being charitable is part of the problem.
 
GVC said:
FWIW, I'd rather be a complete ****ing moron than the dude doubling down on ethnic cleansing.
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Fwiw i think jimless said that the palestinians should move. Not that they should be killed

I think the nazis wanted the jews dead, not moved. Big difference imo
 
JimLes said:
Because they lost at least 3 ****ing wars. Once upon a time, used to be common courtesy that when you lost a few wars, you packed your **** up and went somewhere else. You admitted you were bested in a fight for land, as surely your ancestors had to have bested someone to get it to begin with, and moved on.
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That was much more rare than conquerors absorbing the native population into their country/empire.
 
One Brow said:
It is to the Palestinians, apparently.
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Then I see no grounds on which they can complain. You can't choose to fight the other side to the death and then complain when they also fight you to the death.

That is the key problem in this whole situation. Both the leadership and the average people among the Palestinians aren't actually interested in a settlement with Israel. They're just waiting for some divine intervention which will drive Jews into the sea and make it like the last 100 years never happened.
 
JimLes said:
That is the key problem in this whole situation. Both the leadership and the average people among the Palestinians aren't actually interested in a settlement with Israel.
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They are not interested in a settlement on Israeli terms, which would include the continued stealing of Palestinian lands, a lack of autonomy, and effectively a second-class citizenship. Israel will never grant them full citizenship (Palestinians still outnumber israelis), nor full autonomy, unless forced to do so. The Palestinians are not the first group in the world to prefer death and violence over second-class human status, and won't be the last.
 
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One Brow said:
They are not interested in a settlement on Israeli terms, which would include the continued stealing of Palestinian lands, a lack of autonomy, and effectively a second-class citizenship.
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What terms do they want? We're talking about a conquered populace here. Are you expecting Israel, negotiating from a position of power here, to make concessions? What grounds do Palestinians think they have to ask for as much as they are asking? Moral?
 
fishonjazz said:
I think that what stoked said is correct. As long as both groups are there, there will always be fighting.
One grouo needs to be removed.

Or like i said, hopefully a natural disaster comes along and wipes the gaza strip off the face of the earth
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Unfortunately, the removal of a side, which would be injustice for the both sides, won't be any helpful at all. Because, even though the direct enemy of Palestine is Israel, they are under the oppression of the middle east actors too. Because Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria and even Lebanon and Hashemites living in the region have all their interests, histories and eyes on the Palestinian region. Palestine is like the youngest child that gets bullied by everyone, imo. That's the another main reason for that no one protects or supports them meaningfully.(The other main reason is obviously the US that is fully supporting Israel)

So lets say the Palestinians are pulled away from the region with a magical hand, you would have immediately other nations and Arabic clans fighting over the region, both against each others and Israel. I believe that would be even more troublesome for Israel.

Removal of Israeli people is an equally bad idea, since they also have a history and the rights to exist there, even alone for the reasons that it's much more unrealistic and unpractical. They are supported by the western world to the utmost for a reason. For number of reasons actually. And all the reasons can be summarized into the fact that the non existence of the Israel state in the middle east would obviously against the all kind of Western interests in every way.
 
One Brow said:
They are not interested in a settlement on Israeli terms, which would include the continued re-acquiring of Palestinian lands, a lack of autonomy, and effectively a second-class citizenship. Israel will never grant them full citizenship (Palestinians still outnumber israelis), nor full autonomy, unless forced to do so. The Palestinians are not the first group in the world to prefer death and violence over second-class human status, and won't be the last.
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it is not stealing if you take back what belonged to you all along
 
Enes CanTear You Apart said:
Unfortunately, the removal of a side, which would be injustice for the both sides, won't be any helpful at all. Because, even though the direct enemy of Palestine is Israel, they are under the oppression of the middle east actors too. Because Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria and even Lebanon and Hashemites living in the region have all their interests, histories and eyes on the Palestinian region. Palestine is like the youngest child that gets bullied by everyone, imo. That's the another main reason for that no one protects or supports them meaningfully.(The other main reason is obviously the US that is fully supporting Israel)

So lets say the Palestinians are pulled away from the region with a magical hand, you would have immediately other nations and Arabic clans fighting over the region, both against each others and Israel. I believe that would be even more troublesome for Israel.

Removal of Israeli people is an equally bad idea, since they also have a history and the rights to exist there, even alone for the reasons that it's much more unrealistic and unpractical. They are supported by the western world to the utmost for a reason. For number of reasons actually. And all the reasons can be summarized into the fact that the non existence of the Israel state in the middle east would obviously against the all kind of Western interests in every way.
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dont care the 12 tribes of israel(or 13 as some said) are united.

saudie arabia can absorb em all. so what if that means less diamdond covered cars.
it is the right thing to do.


but it is just their mentality using eachother as human shields.
 
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