Why? Explain your reasoning.
I mean, it's obvious Williams is a competitor beyond belief. Why would he wallow in the prime of his career on a team that played the way it did last night?
What team will Deron Williams leave the Jazz for in free agency?
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Why? Explain your reasoning.
I mean, it's obvious Williams is a competitor beyond belief. Why would he wallow in the prime of his career on a team that played the way it did last night?
JAZZFAN_2814
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Because John Stockton and Karl Malone did. And compared to the wonderful Larry Miller, they were nothing special. Just "gentiles", after all.
Because FANS don't want their best player to leave or even suggest it even if it's "for his own good!" I wouldn't want that kind of manic depressed person as a "fan" of my team. As such, epic thread FAIL.
JAZZFAN_2814
Active Member
What?! A crock, rather.
Reality is that Malone and Stockton were at their peaks in the late 80s/early 90s. Where was Hornacek then? Oh. In Philly or Phoenix.
Those teams were less talented than what Deron has now. A lot less.
Miller didn't provide decent talent until Malone started grumbling about a trade. This was around 1993, thus Malone had been with the Jazz longer -- toiling for nothing, in on-court context -- than Deron has been to this point.
The good old days weren't so grand. From Malone and Stockton? Arguably underrated, especially Malone. But management was ****. A two player team, literally.
Stockton's peak (17 and 14 a game, never replicated) was wasted on Clippers'-level talent, and thanks to that wasted time both franchise players are looked on in the same context as this mediocre family-owned team.
What a shame.
I dont want it either, but I cant stop it from happening and the chances that it will happen are pretty high.
JAZZFAN_2814
Active Member
Sad to say.
Will you follow him to his new team and stop being a Jazz fan, or are you a Jazz fan first? Just for the record since you're always saying the team should relocate.
Ive been a Jazz fan since 1992. Im not going anywhere.
Good to know. You're ok in my book.
Think so too.
It's the two-year Deron Williams window. The Jazz FO will likely not do anything until it's closed and it will, well, just rebuild again.
Solid work Nate.
7StraightIsGreat
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Deron is not leaving Utah and you can bet the house on it.
I think it was a much bigger possibility earlier in this offseason but I don't think it's much of a secret that Deron was very satisfied with how KOC was aggressive in his efforts to obtain a trade exception for Booz and then turn it into Al Jefferson. I think he was even more impressed by how the Miller family was willing to pay the luxury tax yet again in order to facilitate the Jefferson move. Those are competitive moves that keep competitive players such as Williams happy.
With all the complaining and doom-and-gloom predictions you hear from Jazz fans (this thread being a perfect example) it's pretty easy to forget that the nucleus of this team is rather young and most likely will only start to hit it's peak just around the time D-Will has to make the decision to stay or go. Most people think if he did leave, it would be for Dallas. Personally, I think D-Will would choose to stay with a line-up that had Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap and CJ Miles all being under 28 years old as opposed to bolting for Dallas to play with a guy like Dirk who will be way past his prime at that point.
The Lakers will be an option but that will also be at the tail-end of the Kobe Bryant dynasty. With Gasol and Kobe well into their 30's at that point and Bynum probably retired due to knee problems, where is the enticement for D-Will to join LA? In reality, should he sign with the Lakers he would the beginning of the rebuild project in L.A. as opposed to being a piece of a championship puzzle. This will be the biggest and longest contract D-Will signs during his NBA career. I hardly think he's going to sign up going to a team that is basically starting over. While last night's game was a bad loss, the knee-jerk reactions are comical. This team starting out 21-10 has wildly exceeding my expectations considering how many new faces and adjustments they were facing. They are only going to get better as the year goes on and just about every hold-over on the roster from last season is quick to admit that the relationships in the locker room and the general feel of this team is better than it's ever been.
Now, I'm not saying that the Jazz cannot botch the re-signing of Deron but I don't think it's very likely. They've done a great job of surrounding Deron with players who are just as young, if not younger than him and they are guys that he likes being around. It's obvious to all of us that Utah is still a couple pieces away from becoming a bonafied contender so I think it's fair to say that it's obvious to KOC and the Millers as well. With AK expiring there's other moves on the horizon.
Deron will be back.
I think it was a much bigger possibility earlier in this offseason but I don't think it's much of a secret that Deron was very satisfied with how KOC was aggressive in his efforts to obtain a trade exception for Booz and then turn it into Al Jefferson. I think he was even more impressed by how the Miller family was willing to pay the luxury tax yet again in order to facilitate the Jefferson move. Those are competitive moves that keep competitive players such as Williams happy.
With all the complaining and doom-and-gloom predictions you hear from Jazz fans (this thread being a perfect example) it's pretty easy to forget that the nucleus of this team is rather young and most likely will only start to hit it's peak just around the time D-Will has to make the decision to stay or go. Most people think if he did leave, it would be for Dallas. Personally, I think D-Will would choose to stay with a line-up that had Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap and CJ Miles all being under 28 years old as opposed to bolting for Dallas to play with a guy like Dirk who will be way past his prime at that point.
The Lakers will be an option but that will also be at the tail-end of the Kobe Bryant dynasty. With Gasol and Kobe well into their 30's at that point and Bynum probably retired due to knee problems, where is the enticement for D-Will to join LA? In reality, should he sign with the Lakers he would the beginning of the rebuild project in L.A. as opposed to being a piece of a championship puzzle. This will be the biggest and longest contract D-Will signs during his NBA career. I hardly think he's going to sign up going to a team that is basically starting over. While last night's game was a bad loss, the knee-jerk reactions are comical. This team starting out 21-10 has wildly exceeding my expectations considering how many new faces and adjustments they were facing. They are only going to get better as the year goes on and just about every hold-over on the roster from last season is quick to admit that the relationships in the locker room and the general feel of this team is better than it's ever been.
Now, I'm not saying that the Jazz cannot botch the re-signing of Deron but I don't think it's very likely. They've done a great job of surrounding Deron with players who are just as young, if not younger than him and they are guys that he likes being around. It's obvious to all of us that Utah is still a couple pieces away from becoming a bonafied contender so I think it's fair to say that it's obvious to KOC and the Millers as well. With AK expiring there's other moves on the horizon.
Deron will be back.
Nicely put. You didn't mention that Malone also had to bitch a little to get paid what he was worth. I know plenty of hater fans who used this as an excuse to hate Malone (while also bitching that they weren't getting paid what they were worth... imagine that). Not only was the team not spending to pick up more talent, but they weren't giving their two stars their due. Stockton never got what Malone did, either. A guy who holds a record as unbreakable as they come and he never got anywhere near a max deal.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Deron will bolt.
And you can take that to the bank.
And you can take that to the bank.
Neither one had an agent until Malone hired Manley in the mid-to-late 90's. They negotiated their own contracts (IIRC, they did bring in a lawyer to sort thru the legalese), so at any time they actually WANTED to leave, they could have. Stockton always said, IIRC, that he was satisfied with what he was paid and didn't feel the need to hire an agent. But as has been the Jazz MO since LHM took over ownership of the team, the Jazz has fostered an organizational atmosphere (structure, support, consistency, winning) that makes the right players WANT to be there. I am confident that this is a key factor that will motivate Deron to stay.
Sloanfeld
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I've never been a fan of these topics but this season it's different. D-Will has to do a lot more offensively WITH the basketball than he has in years past, and if you've followed his career closely, you know he'd rather dish it out than put it in. That's what happens when you choose not to bring back an elite offensive threat.
Sure they both could have left. Both were class acts, and, regardless of what that big mouth *** wipe Reggie Miller thinks, were loyal to an organization. That doesn't take away from the fact that Miller didn't loosen that vice grip wallet of his. It was Gorilla Glued, encrypted, wrapped in a boa, and locked in the bottom of Fort Knox.
Your point is grounded in "the right players". Right players were anyone who Miller would have paid to win a championship. He didn't even try.