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Police Power and Racial Tensions in Ferguson, Missouri

LogGrad98 said:
Just curious, whose opinion would be valid then? A black cop? Any black person? A white person from another state?

It seems to be that anyone who can think and does not have all the facts can have a valid opinion. In fact I would hope that lots of different groups are forming opinions and discussing them in an open way over this entire issue, be they black white asian or martian. No way does only one person or one ethnic group have all the best answers to this case or cases like it. We need open dialogue about it, not closed-minded rhetoric.
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If a black cop shoots a white dude in similar circumstances it is not national news.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
By all means, go to town. I simply expressing my frustration and massive eye rolling.
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In a way that makes you the very thing you are rolling your eyes at. That's my point.


Personally I think the cop gets charged and I'd say it's 50/50 if he's convicted.
 
To sum things up from having barely skimmed the last 10 ages, it now appears evident that the deceased did in fact rob some store with some other guy by the last name Brown, if my memory is correct. The deceased did in fact go after the cop, whether it was to bumrush him or get his gun which the officer may or may have not been drawing. Now, the lunger is dead.

Is this accurate?
 
JAZZGASM said:
If a black cop shoots a white dude in similar circumstances it is not national news.
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What is your point in the context of who is allowed to have valid opinions?
 
BabyPeterzz said:
By all means, go to town. I simply expressing my frustration and massive eye rolling.
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What exactly are you frustrated about? That it should be painfully obvious to all involved that the cop was an unabashed "black killer" just looking for his next score, even in the face of the fact that we do not have all the information, as you admitted? I get that you are frustrated, but what exactly is driving that frustration?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Just curious, whose opinion would be valid then? A black cop? Any black person? A white person from another state?

It seems to be that anyone who can think and does not have all the facts can have a valid opinion. In fact I would hope that lots of different groups are forming opinions and discussing them in an open way over this entire issue, be they black white asian or martian. No way does only one person or one ethnic group have all the best answers to this case or cases like it. We need open dialogue about it, not closed-minded rhetoric.
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Context. This is a race issue. Period. And I"m of the opinion that most white people have no footing when it comes to these issues. What do you or I know about 400+ years of oppression, being a minority in the South? This is crucial information needed to assess this specific situation. Information, I'm willing to bet, maybe 1 or 2 member of this forum have...if that.

State your opinion all you want, I'm stating mine. I'm just expressing my frustration with this situation and using this notoriously homogeneous message board to vent.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
To sum things up from having barely skimmed the last 10 ages, it now appears evident that the deceased did in fact rob some store with some other guy by the last name Brown, if my memory is correct. The deceased did in fact go after the cop, whether it was to bumrush him or get his gun which the officer may or may have not been drawing. Now, the lunger is dead.

Is this accurate?
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Has it been proven he rushed the cop?

Also the alleged robbery was unknown to the cop at the time so it didn't play into the mindset of the cop. To him it simply started as two guys walking down the street.
 
LogGrad98 said:
What exactly are you frustrated about? That it should be painfully obvious to all involved that the cop was an unabashed "black killer" just looking for his next score, even in the face of the fact that we do not have all the information, as you admitted? I get that you are frustrated, but what exactly is driving that frustration?
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Minus the hyperbole, yes, I think this cop did not act in good faith. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I'm frustrated by those trying to justify this cops actions because I wholeheartedly disagree, with every ounce of my being. Those analysing this situation trying so hard to leave race relations out of this boggles my mind.

Ferguson, MO = 67% Black
Ferguson Police = 96% White

Come on....
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I know, crazy huh? Poor oppressed white people by black cops. Where's the outrage??!?@??
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If a black cop ever shoots and kills a white person, I'd say that white person's entire life is being oppressed right to his death. Cops in general use their power against anyone, no matter the skin color. An almost identical situation happened last week where an unarmed guy was shot in SLC. He was told to get on the ground, the guy pulled his pants up and got shot to death. Where is the national outrage? https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58313255-78/taylor-police-officer-burbank.html.csp

Also, if this was a black cop shooting a black person, again no story. One white cop is not all whites. If this were a clear situation where the guy had his hands up, and he also didn't just commit a robbery, I'd be outraged too. But the witness saying this just helped the deceased rob a store by force. So sorry, I don't care what color they are, you do stupid **** and you lose credibility.


I think saying whites are oppressing blacks is true, but blacks oppress blacks too. Honestly, I think many of the programs liberals put in place to "help" minorities also hurts them.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Context. This is a race issue. Period. And I"m of the opinion that most white people have no footing when it comes to these issues. What do you or I know about 400+ years of oppression, being a minority in the South? This is crucial information needed to assess this specific situation. Information, I'm willing to bet, maybe 1 or 2 member of this forum have...if that.

State your opinion all you want, I'm stating mine. I'm just expressing my frustration with this situation and using this notoriously homogeneous message board to vent.
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I fully concede the point that we are likely not as versed in racial issues as are certain other groups. I am a white guy and of course see the world through the white guy's viewpoint, no matter how many ethnic friends I have or how much I make an effort to celebrate diversity. However this is the world we live in, and if we are hell-bent on excluding large segments of the population from making any decisions, or having any opinions or influence, on topics to which they cannot "relate" then we need to go back to a fully segregated society, not in terms of slavery obviously, but let's just get all the mormons to their own place, give the muslims their place, give all the blacks their place, all the whites theirs, etc. so that no one has to worry about interacting with someone to whom they might not "relate". Right wrong or indifferent we all live to together and have to find a way to coexist, and even thrive, together, and that can never happen if we cannot have open dialogue about these issues simply because our skin isn't the right color to "relate".
 
LogGrad98 said:
I fully concede the point that we are likely not as versed in racial issues as are certain other groups. I am a white guy and of course see the world through the white guy's viewpoint, no matter how many ethnic friends I have or how much I make an effort to celebrate diversity. However this is the world we live in, and if we are hell-bent on excluding large segments of the population from making any decisions, or having any opinions or influence, on topics to which they cannot "relate" then we need to go back to a fully segregated society, not in terms of slavery obviously, but let's just get all the mormons to their own place, give the muslims their place, give all the blacks their place, all the whites theirs, etc. so that no one has to worry about interacting with someone to whom they might not "relate". Right wrong or indifferent we all live to together and have to find a way to coexist, and even thrive, together, and that can never happen if we cannot have open dialogue about these issues simply because our skin isn't the right color to "relate".
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If this happened, we live on Earth in completely segregated societies, would Earth be better over the long-haul? I ask seriously.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Minus the hyperbole, yes, I think this cop did not act in good faith. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I'm frustrated by those trying to justify this cops actions because I wholeheartedly disagree, with every ounce of my being. Those analysing this situation trying so hard to leave race relations out of this boggles my mind.

Ferguson, MO = 67% Black
Ferguson Police = 96% White

Come on....
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So you are frustrated that you have come to a conclusion, admittedly without all the facts, (the cop is guilty) and other people, also without all the facts, are coming to a different conclusion?
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Minus the hyperbole, yes, I think this cop did not act in good faith. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I'm frustrated by those trying to justify this cops actions because I wholeheartedly disagree, with every ounce of my being. Those analysing this situation trying so hard to leave race relations out of this boggles my mind.

Ferguson, MO = 67% Black
Ferguson Police = 96% White

Come on....
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First, I don't think 67% is correct. So maybe they should hire more cops with diversity.

How about when a woman gets shot and cops make up 95% of the police force. Gender oppression! OMG!
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Context. This is a race issue. Period. And I"m of the opinion that most white people have no footing when it comes to these issues. What do you or I know about 400+ years of oppression, being a minority in the South? This is crucial information needed to assess this specific situation. Information, I'm willing to bet, maybe 1 or 2 member of this forum have...if that.

State your opinion all you want, I'm stating mine. I'm just expressing my frustration with this situation and using this notoriously homogeneous message board to vent.
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I agree that it does bring a unique and valuable viewpoint to the debate. But it is not the only one that should be listened to. Doing so only guarantees that the debate goes no where and no progress is made.

Some questions:

Are all cases involving a death where the people involved are different races a race issue or just this one?

Should white people be given an equal platform for opinions on race as any other race?

What is the goal, in your mind, for race relations and how should that goal be achieved?

Sincere questions as I want your honest opinion.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
If this happened, we live on Earth in completely segregated societies, would Earth be better over the long-haul? I ask seriously.
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Interesting thought exercise. The biggest issue of course would be resources. To even be viable as a point of discussion you would have to somehow guarantee equality of resources to remove the need for wars in the future over scarce resources.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
If this happened, we live on Earth in completely segregated societies, would Earth be better over the long-haul? I ask seriously.
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No. These groups would then war with each other and it would only increase the racial tensions. The earth, and all that it contains, would be profoundly worse off imo.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Interesting thought exercise. The biggest issue of course would be resources. To even be viable as a point of discussion you would have to somehow guarantee equality of resources to remove the need for wars in the future over scarce resources.
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Stoked said:
No. These groups would then war with each other and it would only increase the racial tensions. The earth, and all that it contains, would be profoundly worse off imo.
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Hah, beat you to it. :)
 
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