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MDAV28 said:
That has nothing to do with what I was saying. I said if Alec wants to be a 20+ scorer he needs to take and make corner 3s and midrange shots consistently (at least league average). DeRozan scored 22.7 a game and shot 40% from midrange and corner 3s. I think DeRozan is a good comp to Burks which is why I used him as an example.
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I think Burks can be a 20 point scorer just doing what he is doing currently. Not every player is the same as another player and has to do everything the same.

We can just disagree on this one. It's ok.

I have liked what I have seen from Alec last year and this year and I hope he keeps it up!
 
MDAV28 said:
That has nothing to do with what I was saying. I said if Alec wants to be a 20+ scorer he needs to take and make corner 3s and midrange shots consistently (at least league average). DeRozan scored 22.7 a game and shot 40% from midrange and corner 3s. I think DeRozan is a good comp to Burks which is why I used him as an example.
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You choose to compare Alec to derozan so I provided stats..... stats which show that burks must already be doing what you ask of him since his numbers are much better than derozan and they play a similar game.

What's the problem again?
 
fishonjazz said:
I think Burks can be a 20 point scorer just doing what he is doing currently. Not every player is the same as another player and has to do everything the same.
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Name me one other 20+ scoring SG that takes 50%+ of shots at the rim. Burks isn't Wade.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think Burks can be a 20 point scorer just doing what he is doing currently. Not every player is the same as another player and has to do everything the same.

We can just disagree on this one. It's ok.

I have liked what I have seen from Alec last year and this year and I hope he keeps it up!
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He definitely can, but at what benefit to the team?

If he wants to be a benefit, the 3 ball is a necessity.
 
MDAV28 said:
Name me one 20+ scoring SG that takes 50%+ of shots at the rim. Burks isn't Wade.
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Burks was pretty much there last year already..... as 22 year old getting his first taste of real playing time under a horrible coach, with one of the slowest pace of play in the league.

Increase pace of play, run more, give him more experience, increase his free throw percentage to 80% (11-13 tonight), have a better coach, better floor spacing from his teammates to open up lanes for his driving game..... bam 20pts per game.

Edit: also he might start to get more calls from the refs and get even more free throw attempts.

Hey I think it's great if he takes and makes lots of threes. I'm with ya. But if he and snyder both are ok with his game then that's good enough for me.
I will let Burks and snyder work it out.

He did take some threes tonight, yet I didn't see anyone talking about how happy they were to see it.
 
Cy said:
He definitely can, but at what benefit to the team?

If he wants to be a benefit, the 3 ball is a necessity.
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He took almost the same amount of attempts as derozan and shot a much better percentage.
What don't we like about that?
 
fishonjazz said:
Burks was pretty much there last year already..... as 22 year old getting his first taste of real playing time under a horrible coach, with one of the slowest pace of play in the league.

Increase pace of play, run more, give him more experience, increase his free throw percentage to 80% (11-13 tonight), have a better coach, better floor spacing from his teammates to open up lanes for his driving game..... bam 20pts per game
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My point is Wade is the only SG to do it. And it is because he shoots an incredible percentage at the rim that Burks hasn't even gotten close to. Burks won't score 20+ taking 50% of his shots at the rim. You can save this comment.
 
I feel like it's kind of nitpicking.

It's like we should take each player and say
Hayward needs to get to the line 0.7 more times per game to be an all star.

Favors needs 1.2 assists per game more. Etc etc.

Each of our starting 5 have strengths and weaknesses and they seem to compliment each other pretty well and play well together as a team.

Maybe just enjoy it for now and let snyder and the players tweak thier games accordingly
 
MDAV28 said:
My point is Wade is the only SG to do it. And it is because he shoots an incredible percentage at the rim that Burks hasn't even gotten close to. Burks won't score 20+ taking 50% of his shots at the rim. You can save this comment.
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I guess there are first times for everything. Exceptions to every rule.
I like what I have seen from Burks last year and this year..... He seems to work hard on his game and improve.
Hopefully you will be satisfied with his game someday even is he doesn't meet the requirements that you set for him

You never said what burks percentages were from the corner and mid range btw
 
fishonjazz said:
I guess there are first times for everything. Exceptions to every rule.
I like what I have seen from Burks last year and this year..... He seems to work hard on his game and improve.
Hopefully you will be satisfied with his game someday even is he doesn't meet the requirements that you set for him

You never said what burks percentages were from the corner and mid range btw
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Burks is my favorite player on this roster and has been since we drafted him. I want his game to elevate to All-Star status and he either becomes Dwayne Wade and finishes at 65% at the rim or develops his midrange and 3point game.

Burks is about same as Derozan from the corner (about 40%) but he's 35% from midrange.

As you know, I don't necessarily have a problem with his percentages, but it's more about the distribution. Only 23% of his shots are midrange, and 4.5% from corner 3.
 
I'm late to the party, I know..

But when we drafted Burks, I said I loved the pick, knew he would be a very solid to great player, and my only real concern was whether he had the interest (or smarts?) to play within a true team concept. I felt like he has been much better, early, than I thought he would be.. but I still retain some of those same early concerns and where that places his ceiling.
 
PKM said:
I'm late to the party, I know..

But when we drafted Burks, I said I loved the pick, knew he would be a very solid to great player, and my only real concern was whether he had the interest (or smarts?) to play within a true team concept. I felt like he has been much better, early, than I thought he would be.. but I still retain some of those same early concerns and where that places his ceiling.
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My feeling with this is that a lot of it is less to do with interest and more to do with how his abilities align with this system. He is an OK shooter at best, which makes the kind of swing the ball around the perimeter to the open guy game not that great for him.

If he can improve his shot a little bit, I think he could really take off - his drive game is being held back by his inability to shoot consistently from the outside.
 
MDAV28 said:
Burks is my favorite player on this roster and has been since we drafted him. I want his game to elevate to All-Star status and he either becomes Dwayne Wade and finishes at 65% at the rim or develops his midrange and 3point game.

Burks is about same as Derozan from the corner (about 40%) but he's 35% from midrange.

As you know, I don't necessarily have a problem with his percentages, but it's more about the distribution. Only 23% of his shots are midrange, and 4.5% from corner 3.
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It's just wierd to put all these requirements in what you say a player must do to be an all star.

Did he get to the line at a better rate than derozan? Did he shoot better from the paint? Did he shoot better from the elbows and straight away threes? Do those things even matter?

Is it bad that he had a better shooting percentage and three point percentage than derozan since he doesn't take the shots that you want him to?
Or do only your criteria have an effect on the game?
 
fishonjazz said:
It's just wierd to put all these requirements in what you say a player must do to be an all star.

Did he get to the line at a better rate than derozan? Did he shoot better from the paint? Did he shoot better from the elbows and straight away threes? Do those things even matter?

Is it bad that he had a better shooting percentage and three point percentage than derozan since he doesn't take the shots that you want him to?
Or do only your criteria have an effect on the game?
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It's not like I think it's a universal requirement. It's more my opinion of what I think he should do to elevate his game and help our team.

I agree with you about Quin though. If he's the coach we think he is, he will make it work with Burks.
 
mhindy said:
- his drive game is being held back.
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Seems that most people consider his drive game to be elite as it stands now.

I can only imagine where it would go when he starts shooting better than his current (last year anyway) 35% from three and 45% from the field.

Let's hope he becomes a great outside shooter...... until then, enjoy the hoodeenees!
 
MDAV28 said:
It's not like I think it's a universal requirement. It's more my opinion of what I think he should do to elevate his game and help our team.

I agree with you about Quin though. If he's the coach we think he is, he will make it work with Burks.
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Fair enough.
 
Excellent points by fish, PKM and mhindy.

I really don't care if Alec averages 20 pts ort becomes and all star. I keep bringing this up, but the leading scorer during the regular season for World Champs averaged 16.7 ppg. I'm much more concerned with efficiency. Just imagine all five starters averaging 16 pts, with 30 additional points coming from the bench (Exum, Hood, Booker, Gobert, etc.). Balance like that is hard to defend.

I think the whole point of Quin's system is to get a good shot, not necessarily a 3-pt FG. Ball movement should open up opportunities for Alec to drive - and that's his strength. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I don't see a real problem with Alec fitting in.
 
Love it when my team wins Game 1 of the WS, and my other team beats a Western Conf. powerhouse on their floor. Oh yeah, and Trey is shutting up the haters AGAIN.
 
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