More death threats -- Woman take video of her walk through New York

[One Brow]

I want to post this thought separately.

That fact is that confident assertive bold men who are persistent get more tail than the rest of us. No two ways about it. There is absolutely a reward for being willing to approach women and to be persistent. Take away the reward and maybe the behavior will start to change...of course we'll need to breed out that tendency that had led to greater sexual success for the last few million years.

We don't need to breed it out, because is is a cultural trait, not a biological trait. For example, here's a study on three cultures that have different stereotypes on aggressive vs. unaggressive in men and women:

https://homepage.smc.edu/delpiccolo_guido/Soc1/soc1readings/sex and temperment_final.pdf

 

[LogGrad98]

That's not what we're talking about and that's not what these guys were doing.


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You really don't reading comprehension do you? Do you even English? Go back and read my first post about the video. Well over 80% of the dudes in the video just said the equivalent of "how ya doin" and did nothing more. A few of them were true tools and assholes that she should have maced and at least one seemed to know there was a camera involved.

Don't let facts get in the way of sensationalism.

 

[One Brow]

... but a woman can minimize this, if she really wants to.
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That is a disservice and an insult to people who have truly had to deal with sexual harassment in their lives.
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However, if you walk around naked, it might increase your odds of getting raped. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RESPONSIBLITY, but instead involves common sense in avoiding things you don't want to happen to you.

There's a common misunderstanding underneath your points here. You seem to think that this is about sex for the men. It is not. It is about those men reminding women that they exist for the pleasure of the men. That's why you hear some of the men tell the woman she should be smiling, for example. That's why dressing more conservatively doesn't change that you get harassed, it only changes what they harass you about (e.g., 'I bet you got some great legs under that thing'). It would not surprise me if a naked woman was less likely to be raped, frankly. Going about naked is an expression of power, and rapists generally prefer women without power.

It is a disservice and an insult to say that one type of sexual harassment is an inevitable part of life because, in your opinion, it is not as serious as whatever qualifies to you as "truly" dealing with sexual harassment.

 

[fishonjazz]

There's nothing wrong with romantic advances. It's all about tact and respect, tho. How would you feel if you had this many WOMEN hit on you while you walk down the street?

fixed.

And to answer the question.... I would feel pretty dang good.
It works be a nice boost to my confidence too

 

[One Brow]

Culturally ingrained bigotry tbh. How dare you think those women aren't out for a fun girls night out instead of male harassment?

You could be right, but I think the choice of one particular bar over another is relevant also. For example, locally I would say a group of women at the Dandy Inn are much less likely to be looking to meet people than at some of the clubs in the Central West End. Place plays into context. It's not a perfect science, of course.

While I might sound facetious, this is possibly the biggest arena of unwanted and aggressive male on female harassment in America. Please don't promote it.

Even in a sex club, there still needs to be a give-and-take. I'm only talking about when it may not be harassing to make an initial approach based on no signals at all.

 

[One Brow]

I hate to accuse anyone here of this but I feel many of the men here are jealous they don't have the courage to approach a girl and make small talk. Is approaching a woman at work or school any better? Isn't it awkward because if they say no you guys work together or are classmates? Granted some people in this video didn't make appropriate small talk but I will continue to approach women, say hello, and smile. All you need is charisma and not look like a troll. Is the only option to go to online dating websites? Many of you would probably say "just make friends first then ask them." But what if you work at a job that limits your prospects. My dad met my mom by a random encounter on the street and I am glad he did. I took after his charisma . This video makes it seem you shouldn't talk with women on the streets at all. I do agree you shouldn't follow them for 5 minutes.

I see no reason to be jealous of you.

It's not all or nothing. It's a matter of gauging mood and interest. I've struck conversations on trains, given an appropriate invitation. The first signal is often eye contact, which is often followed by various head motions that indicate interest or non-interest.

In this video, there is no eye contact, no interaction. Men just insert themselves into her life based on nothing at all but their own sense of male importance.

 

[fishonjazz]

This particular video was edited down to 1.5 minutes. As you saw in the video, one guy by himself spent 5 minutes trying to get her attention.

Whoa.
So you saw a guy following this woman for 5 minutes in a video that is only 1.5 minutes long?

Amazing

 

[Gameface]

We don't need to breed it out, because is is a cultural trait, not a biological trait. For example, here's a study on three cultures that have different stereotypes on aggressive vs. unaggressive in men and women:

https://homepage.smc.edu/delpiccolo_guido/Soc1/soc1readings/sex and temperment_final.pdf

I read that. It didn't have a lot to do with my point. I know you talk as though you never interacted with people in a normal social way before, so sometimes it's hard when what people are doing is pointing to their very normal everyday experiences as proof and you want them to demonstrate facts in a way you can compute...but, I've been to parties and stuff. I've seen women go off with a guy who was puttin in work trying to get her to consent.

Now, maybe she was a victim. Maybe. But often enough this lead to relationships. Or at least that female didn't seem to shy away from or become uncomfortable with contact with that guy after that. From my perspective, especially being the guy who basically took no for an answer and often enough didn't even ask the question, when looking back I could have gotten a hell of a lot more action than I did, simply because I basically believed what you are saying in this thread. I thought I was "respecting" women who actually would have been perfectly happy having sex with me.

So anyway, you can point to articles about gender roles. That's kind of besides the point. I said that being bold and persistent yields greater success for someone looking to have sex. If that's not true, that'd be one thing. But it is true. So, based on how highly these men prioritize having sex with strange women walking down the street, they are playing what appears to be a winning strategy.

 

[fishonjazz]

Imagine that woman is your mother, sister, or daughter and get back to me.


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The woman in my family are strong, tough, women and wouldn't bat an eye at this situation

 

[fishonjazz]

LOL. Both of my sisters are intelligent enough to understand that if they walk down a street in a big city, some D-bags might hit on them. I asked them both if I should be offended by this, and they both laughed their asses off. I was informed that women enjoy being pursued, and that unwanted attention is just something that most women accept as a reality, like it or not.

Seems kind of obvious, for anyone who has sisters in their family. Not my fault that you are an only, lonely child. Sucks to be you, whah.):

This

 

[fishonjazz]

This thread sucks.

Yep.
I'm so glad that I learned that attractive women get hit on by men on the regular.

I would have never know without this video

 

[The Thriller]

Yawn

Pretty girls are hit on. Sometimes men can be tacky.

In other news today, the sun rose in the east and the Lakers suck.

 

[Stoked]

The woman in my family are strong, tough, women and wouldn't bat an eye at this situation

Talked to my wife about this and aside from a couple of the more harrasing ones, as mentioned already, she had no problem with the majority of it. When she saw the slams beng made on these guys her response was pretty much along the lines of "well, I guess people cannot talk to anyone anymore without it being harrasement."

 

[BabyPeterzz]

You really don't reading comprehension do you? Do you even English? Go back and read my first post about the video. Well over 80% of the dudes in the video just said the equivalent of "how ya doin" and did nothing more. A few of them were true tools and assholes that she should have maced and at least one seemed to know there was a camera involved.

Don't let facts get in the way of sensationalism.

I hope this was on purpose, cause I literally lol'd.

As for the rest of your post, the fact that she ran into even one dude that should've been MACED is a BFD. How often do you have run ins with people that should be maced because they are harassing you? Obviously often enough that it's not that big a deal, right?

 

[One Brow]

I'm not happy with girls being treated in this way, but yes, I think they have a choice in the matter, as far as minimizing the harassment. PROVE ME WRONG!!!

https://irs.sagepub.com/content/39/4/373.short

Women in sport get harassed more for performing 'masculine' sports rather than 'feminine' sports, and the clothing the athletes wear for their sport has no measurable effect on harassment.


https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Oxyg...sment+of+Women+on+the+Street+Is...-a062870396

87% of women dress wrongly?


https://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7514567.stm

The findings contradict the widely held belief in Egypt that unveiled women are more likely to suffer harassment than veiled ones.

The notion that clothing and harassment are related has been studied in many ways in many cultures. It's just not true.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Talked to my wife about this and aside from a couple of the more harrasing ones, as mentioned already, she had no problem with the majority of it. When she saw the slams beng made on these guys her response was pretty much along the lines of "well, I guess people cannot talk to anyone anymore without it being harrasement."

Are some here really that offended that women don't like men catcalling them on the street? I asked my wife too guys, and she said it's annoying and she doesn't like it. See!

Look, men can hit on women all they want, and they do. Thing is, there's a time and place that many men don't respect. This is what I'm referring to. Walking past a girl and mentioning her *** is not hitting on women, that's meat head behavior. Going up to a woman, introducing yourself, buying her a drink, and treating her with respect is more likely to get you laid that walking by and saying "how you doin?".

Are we all so insecure that we can't admit that men are assholes often to women and that it should be discussed? I don't get why some are so defensive.

 

[One Brow]

Seems kind of obvious, for anyone who has sisters in their family.

My sister disagrees.

 

[NAOS]

Not acceptable, but it's a reality that exists that probably isn't changing much, at least anytime soon. But sure, since we've already agreed that there is no other reasonable solution to this woman's problem, I guess we'll just have to wait a couple weeks for every man in America to be enlightened. Can't wait.

You're spending a lot of time questioning the use-value of this video (I mean, 'the world is what it is', right?). I'm starting to question the use-value of your posts in this thread.

 

[One Brow]

If being social with girls is harassment than I guess I am a serial harasser because I say hello, smile, and make eye contact with girls in the street.

Wrong order. Eye contact should be first, not last.

 

[NAOS]

I want to post this thought separately.

That fact is that confident assertive bold men who are persistent get more tail than the rest of us. No two ways about it. There is absolutely a reward for being willing to approach women and to be persistent. Take away the reward and maybe the behavior will start to change...of course we'll need to breed out that tendency that had led to greater sexual success for the last few million years.

Guys who want lots of "tail" troll the internet now, not the streets.