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More death threats -- Woman take video of her walk through New York

One Brow said:
In this video, I missed that there was any interaction (action conducted by two or more people) at all. I saw a lot of actions being taken by men, but no response being given. I may have missed something. What time stamps had interactions?

So, I am saying the types of unilateral actions beingtaken in this video are inappropriate, but that doesn't mean I'm against interactions.
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I say hello to lots of people. Some don't say hi back. Does that mean that in those cases I am harassing them?

I also said responses, not interactions. For an interaction to occur someone has to initiate it and someone else respond. The men initiated it, she never responded. Are you saying that only certain people are allowed to initiate an interaction? We need these rules posted and enforced then.
 
One Brow said:
If you care so little that you think interrupting another person, unsolicited, is a good way to start a relationship, how great a guy can you be?
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You seem truly clueless in human interaction. Every time someone says something to you "unsolicited" is an interruption. If I say "escuse me, it looks like your tire is flat" at a gas station and you didn't solicit that then I probably interrupted you. You are implying that there is some unwritten rule that people are not allowed to interact with others, or attempt to interact, without express permission first. If that is the case then no strangers would ever interact with each other.
 
The reason behind this kind of behavior, just like with any other behavior, is that the perceived benefits(rare cases when this actually results in whatever these people are looking for - sex, companionship, etc; "street cred", coolness among peers) overweight the perceived negatives from that behavior(condemnation from society or peers).

If you want to make a certain behavior extremely rare, the ways are really two - make it illegal and punish people who do it(I don't think anybody here, even One Brow advocates for that), or make the social price of this behavior too high to pay(awareness raising, broad condemnation). In general what you hope to achieve is that this behavior will become so unacceptable that even within the peer groups of the people in this video who thought that this is a good idea, this would be seen as creepy/bad and those peers would voice their opinion against it and follow it with actions if this kind of behavior is not terminated.

Even though the behavior seems somewhat rare(1.5 mins of footage out of 10 hours in a highly populated area), it still points to the fact that it could amount to some serious uneasiness and discomfort if done to a person on a daily consistent basis.

To me an interesting question is if the presence of a camera in this case played any role(be it in limiting or attracting such behavior). It would also be interesting to see what kind of attention an attractive man would get if he walked the same streets for 10 hours.
 
One Brow said:
Perhaps coming up to someone out of the blue like that is already a disqualifier on the whole "soulmate" issue. The real tragedy is that the men don't really care about that.
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honest to Pete, or whatever the feminine equivalent is, you are really painting with a broad brush here
 
It is harassment because it is unwanted. She is not responding or in anyway trying to have a conversation with these guys. Women also feel unsafe in these situations. These creepy guys who keep trying are even worse. Imagine some woman you care about having man after man comment about her looks in a degrading fashion and some following her making her feel unsafe just walking in the day time. Women are not objects for everyone to stare at and comment about their looks. Men in this video treat her like an object, only viewing her as an object of sex that they need to cat call and degrade.

Women should not be subjected to feeling objectified, unsafe and degraded just for going outside. Dressing a certain way is also not a reason to treat a woman like that.

Some responses to another human walking by you in a crowded street should be okay but lots of men have taken that too far and made women feel uncomfortable, unsafe and objectified so it must be eliminated. If you walk by someone that does not look at you or respond to anything they dont need you to comment about their looks. If a women makes eye contact and you say hello that might be okay but that does not mean you need to comment about her looks in anyway.
 
stitches said:
The reason behind this kind of behavior, just like with any other behavior, is that the perceived benefits(rare cases when this actually results in whatever these people are looking for - sex, companionship, etc; "street cred", coolness among peers) overweight the perceived negatives from that behavior(condemnation from society or peers).

If you want to make a certain behavior extremely rare, the ways are really two - make it illegal and punish people who do it(I don't think anybody here, even One Brow advocates for that), or make the social price of this behavior too high to pay(awareness raising, broad condemnation). In general what you hope to achieve is that this behavior will become so unacceptable that even within the peer groups of the people in this video who thought that this is a good idea, this would be seen as creepy/bad and those peers would voice their opinion against it and follow it with actions if this kind of behavior is not terminated.

Even though the behavior seems somewhat rare(1.5 mins of footage out of 10 hours in a highly populated area), it still points to the fact that it could amount to some serious uneasiness and discomfort if done to a person on a daily consistent basis.
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I haven't counted but my guess is that at least 75% of those encounters are nothing more than a greeting or acknowledgement with no intent of anything further.

To me an interesting question is if the presence of a camera in this case played any role(be it in limiting or attracting such behavior). It would also be interesting to see what kind of attention an attractive man would get if he walked the same streets for 10 hours.
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GoPro cameras are very small and easily concealed or camouflaged. I think the idea here is that the camera was hidden in the gym bag.
 
moevillini said:
honest to Pete, or whatever the feminine equivalent is, you are really painting with a broad brush here
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Of course he is.

moevillini said:
I haven't counted but my guess is that at least 75% of those encounters are nothing more than a greeting or acknowledgement with no intent of anything further.



GoPro cameras are very small and easily concealed or camouflaged. I think the idea here is that the camera was hidden in the gym bag.
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I agree that women do not need to be gropped, harrased, come onto ina vulgar, rude and/or derogatory way. Without question. The only part I disagree with is that it is all being classified that way as you and Log are pointing out.

If that was the case then no one would talk to anyone.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I say hello to lots of people. Some don't say hi back. Does that mean that in those cases I am harassing them?
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Depends on the context. Sometimes, perhaps, even if unintentionally.

LogGrad98 said:
I also said responses, not interactions.
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A response requires a stimulus. The only stimulus I saw was the physical presence of the female. Are you saying that any man should feel free to hit on any woman at any time, as long as the woman is physically present?
 
stitches said:
Even though the behavior seems somewhat rare(1.5 mins of footage out of 10 hours in a highly populated area),
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Less a third of the recorded instances were put ito the video. There were just over 100 commentators in ten hours.

stitches said:
... it still points to the fact that it could amount to some serious uneasiness and discomfort if done to a person on a daily consistent basis.
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Exactly.

stitches said:
To me an interesting question is if the presence of a camera in this case played any role(be it in limiting or attracting such behavior). It would also be interesting to see what kind of attention an attractive man would get if he walked the same streets for 10 hours.
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The camera was supposedly too small to be easily visible. I agree about the guy doing a similar walk.
 
One Brow said:
A response requires a stimulus. The only stimulus I saw was the physical presence of the female. Are you saying that any man should feel free to hit on any woman at any time, as long as the woman is physically present?
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I said hi to a woman at the bank the other day, even asked how her day was going and commented that I thought her kid, who was in costume and maybe 4 years old, was cute. Her presence was the only stimulus for my response of this interaction. Did I harass her? Do I need to change this behavior?

And go back and read your initial comments and then your reactions. You apply the "in context" caveat often ex post facto after you get called out for making blanket statements of often ludicrous proportions. It is a rather smooth backpedal, but a backpedal all the same.
 
One Brow said:
I'm asking you to think twice before you go up to some girl walking down the street and hit on her.
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This never happened.
If you did ask that of me I would tell you that I'm married so I don't hit on women anymore.
 
No one gets asked to be pin-point specific more than One Brow. It's funny to hear him critiqued in these terms by Loggrad, master of the tautology.
 
NAOS said:
No one gets asked to be pin-point specific more than One Brow. It's funny to hear him critiqued in these terms by Loggrad, master of the tautology.
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Please quote examples. Thank you.
 
One Brow said:
I meant the men in the video, not all men.
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even then...

you seem to assume that every instance is a situation of a guy with some malevolent intent

And it would be quite interesting to get some reactions from a different female demographic than little ole me. I wonder whether black or hispanic women would have a similar reaction to mine.

It's tough for me to predict, because I think the way this is viewed might vary considerably - particularly if you queried a varying age demographic. Would a 20 year old consider it harassment? I'm trying to think back to myself at that age, but it's soooooo long ago...

:-)
 
LogGrad98 said:
Please quote examples. Thank you.
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You want me to do that kind of research?

C'mon, dude. You know you aren't any more specific in your claims than One Brow. The burden of proof is on you. Please demonstrate that you abide by the standard you are holding One Brow to. TIA.
 
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