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More death threats -- Woman take video of her walk through New York

NAOS said:
You want me to do that kind of research?

C'mon, dude. You know you aren't any more specific in your claims than One Brow. The burden of proof is on you. Please demonstrate that you abide by the standard you are holding One Brow to. TIA.
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I have already done so. I am not making blanket claims about the men in the video and then extrapolating to all interactions. I am making it very clear that I believe there are varying degrees of interactions like this, and he is not. You are trying to build a straw man and not doing a very good job of it.
 
Can't we just all agree that cat calls should be frowned upon and move on? :p
 
I'm dressing up as Piper from Orange Is The New Black and meeting my black lady friend dressed as Crazy Eyes tonight for the parade in the Village. Should I be worried about looking like a hot *** blonde all night?



YES.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I have already done so. I am not making blanket claims about the men in the video and then extrapolating to all interactions. I am making it very clear that I believe there are varying degrees of interactions like this, and he is not. You are trying to build a straw man and not doing a very good job of it.
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I'm not trying to build a straw man.

Let's take one step further back. You don't tackle issues with half the number of snafus that One Brow does. He debates sensitive cultural topics. You offer your own folk wisdom when an opportunity presents itself. (If you want to rip further into your posts, then, yes, I would continue to claim that you aren't achieving the standard that you are demanding).




Also... funny that this thread got you so riled up.
 
Jose_Ortiz_fan said:
I'm dressing up as Piper from Orange Is The New Black and meeting my black lady friend dressed as Crazy Eyes tonight for the parade in the Village. Should I be worried about looking like a hot *** blonde all night?



YES.
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You think Piper is hot? There are at least 10 women in that prison that I find more attractive than Piper.
 
Siro said:
If you had to deal with this every time you wore a t-shirt and jeans, I bet you would have a different tone. I bet if someone then blamed you for the harassment and suggested you dress like we're in Saudi Arabia, you'd punch them square in the nose. I baffled at this perspective.
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yup.


no surprise that men struggle to sympathize with women on this issue. They simply haven't gone through it themselves. This whole notion that "well the gurl SHUD COVER HERSLF MOAR" is so past archaic that it hurts my head to think about.
 
Siro I just hope you are not following into the trap of registering that 1.5 minutes as a harassment every 5 sec and realize it is edited. From the article I posted earlier.

"My first reaction is that editing ten hours down to two minutes is so overtly manipulative of the viewer that I had a bad reaction to it. I understand why they had to edit; no one watches ten hour videos. But while the video clearly states it is edited, the human brain still processes it as if it is in real time. My emotional reaction to the video is a reaction to a woman being harassed every five seconds, and that is not what happened."

Also I wonder what your thoughts are of the video I posted.
 
This is not about harassment it is about freedom of speech!

When did women get so sensitive? I remember a day when they craved and expected this kind of attention. We called it courting and it was expected for men to put more effort into it than any one woman deserves. Most these blacks being profiled in the video probably grew up with the same expectations. You don't know there culture so stop judging and being racist.
 
Turkish Nightmare said:
Siro I just hope you are not following into the trap of registering that 1.5 minutes as a harassment every 5 sec and realize it is edited. From the article I posted earlier.

"My first reaction is that editing ten hours down to two minutes is so overtly manipulative of the viewer that I had a bad reaction to it. I understand why they had to edit; no one watches ten hour videos. But while the video clearly states it is edited, the human brain still processes it as if it is in real time. My emotional reaction to the video is a reaction to a woman being harassed every five seconds, and that is not what happened."

Also I wonder what your thoughts are of the video I posted.
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I don't understand what they're trying to say with that video. That men have to go through the same thing? Absurd. This isn't a normal daily experience for men. Sure, if you're really hot you'll get some comments. But for the vast majority of men, this isn't an issue. Second, just because men can get harassed, doesn't mean harassment is okay. Third, the few men who do get harassed never feel threatened. That's different from women who will occasionally have to deal with shady men who will follow them as they "flirt". Fourth, you should note that even though they were going out of their way to show how a man can have the same experience, a large percentage of the people hitting on him were men. Fifth, that bro at the start of the video is such a ****ing douche that I would want nothing more for Christmas than to kick him in the balls.
 
Siro said:
I don't understand what they're trying to say with that video. That men have to go through the same thing? Absurd. This isn't a normal daily experience for men. Sure, if you're really hot you'll get some comments. But for the vast majority of men, this isn't an issue. Second, just because men can get harassed, doesn't mean harassment is okay. Third, the few men who do get harassed never feel threatened. That's different from women who will occasionally have to deal with shady men who will follow them as they "flirt". Fourth, you should note that even though they were going out of their way to show how a man can have the same experience, a large percentage of the people hitting on him were men. Fifth, that bro at the start of the video is such a ****ing douche that I would want nothing more for Christmas than to kick him in the balls.
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Once again I must refer to that article.

"The harassment was mostly in the form of powerless men hurling compliments at a woman that probably has a better job and more education than nearly all of the men in the video. Remind me again who the victims are?"

Women get approached by men more often than vice versa (on average). Also women are on average weaker then man so sometimes they feel threatened. Do we ban the freedom of speech? What was your take home message from the video? What should be done, how should we feel?
 
Turkish Nightmare said:
Once again I must refer to that article.

"The harassment was mostly in the form of powerless men hurling compliments at a woman that probably has a better job and more education than nearly all of the men in the video. Remind me again who the victims are?"

Women get approached by men more often than vice versa (on average). Also women are on average weaker then man so sometimes they feel threatened. Do we ban the freedom of speech? What was your take home message from the video? What should be done, how should we feel?
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It isn't a crime, but it is an unwanted behavior. It's like peeing on the toilet seat . There is no need to pass any laws against it, but the behavior is clearly unacceptable, and we should certainly not defend it using "men be men" ********.
 
Siro said:
It isn't a crime, but it is an unwanted behavior. It's like peeing on the toilet seat . There is no need to pass any laws against it, but the behavior is clearly unacceptable, and we should certainly not defend it using "men be men" ********.
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We don't make videos about how bad toilet seat pee is for the victims and ask for donations to stop it.
 
Just watched the video. She deserves it for dressing like that and walking that suggestively.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I said hi to a woman at the bank the other day, even asked how her day was going and commented that I thought her kid, who was in costume and maybe 4 years old, was cute. Her presence was the only stimulus for my response of this interaction. Did I harass her? Do I need to change this behavior?
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I wasn't there. Maybe you did. Why did you think your comment would be welcome? If she had screamed at you in response, because you had interruppted her, would you have acknowledged it was a mistake to approach her, or blamed her for not being in the mood you preferred?

However, more likely you are the considerate sort of person that, rather than just speak up out of the blue, took a few seconds, made eye contact, and possibly exchanged a smile or a nod before you said anything. If you did those things, then you were not harassing her.

LogGrad98 said:
And go back and read your initial comments and then your reactions. You apply the "in context" caveat often ex post facto after you get called out for making blanket statements of often ludicrous proportions. It is a rather smooth backpedal, but a backpedal all the same.
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Sorry, but I'm not going to accept your blame for your seeming inability to distinguish between asking men to evaluate whether a woman wants to be approach and being told that you can't approach anyone ever. You are a grown human, capable of social nuance and with normal reading comprehension. You could tell the difference if your goal was to comprehend, rather than argue.
 
moevillini said:
even then...

you seem to assume that every instance is a situation of a guy with some malevolent intent
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There is a lot of malevolent intent, to the degree that, even when such intent is absent, the non-malevolent responses become part of the background of noise and get absorbed in. If you removed all the comments about how she should be smiling, asking for a date, etc., and left in only the "Good morning"s, her experience would be quite different. If this happened every day, and all any person was saying was "Good morning", we would not even be having this discussion.

However, that's not the world we live in, and even the purely well-meaning, altruistic greetings become part of the overall load.

moevillini said:
And it would be quite interesting to get some reactions from a different female demographic than little ole me. I wonder whether black or hispanic women would have a similar reaction to mine.
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I'm sure, like white women, it bothers different black, Hispanic, Asian, etc. women to a different degree )although in their case, the load is increased by the intersection of racism and sexism). Jessica Williams recently did a piece on the Daily Show about her experience, why don't you look that up?

moevillini said:
Would a 20 year old consider it harassment? I'm trying to think back to myself at that age, but it's soooooo long ago...

:-)
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Probably, on some days it would bother that 20-year-old more than on other days.
 
I think we need to throw more money at this issue. Perhaps a foundation or two can fund more research, or even endow a few university chairs. It is a MAJOR social crime. Forget feeding the hungry, forget curing Ebola, forget straw men everywhere. Eliminating the harassment of women via unsolicited "cat calls" is where we need to focus. We need to rid the world of this behavior - it is a major social injustice.

Meanwhile, I'll keep looking for an organization to fund research into raising awareness of the raised toilet-seat issue. I haven't found quite what I'm looking for yet, but I have found some interesting stuff. I may even start a thread about it.



We're all being punked.
 
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