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calling it now: Kanter will be traded, and Burke will be in the deal

I've always liked Kanter and I still do

However, after last nights game I do not see him staying on the Jazz. This is his final season as a Jazzman IMO. He can still be good but it'll be somewhere else.
 
Kanter hurts his own cause.
He has to play with more passion and HIRE a new agent.
Kanter has at least one NBA-level skill and that is rebounding. That said he is trying to build up himself as a totally different player, player with finesse/range.
He cannot survive NBA that way. Sure he can shoot and score but he is a bully and he has to play like one.
More rebounds + more hustle = Kanter's bright future.
 
Kanter's biggest problem is that 4 years in, he still looks clueless. He's just not a smart player.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Sorry for the double post. Meant to post this here and not the Rondo thread.

Teams that could use a center are Atlanta, Lakers, Miami, Knicks, and Minnesota.
1) HAWKS: Be crazy if Utah traded Kanter for Millsap. I'd also be intrigued by Payne (who could be a great stretch 4).
2) LAKERS: Would the Lakers trade an injured Randle for Kanter? Randle with Favors would be great next season.
3) MIAMI: Doesn't have the assets that make sense.
4) KNICKS: Shumpert's name always seems to be on the block. Definitely brings defense, but Knicks would also need to add Jason Smith for salary and maybe a pick.
5) MINNESOTA: Probably best trade partner. They have a lot of young bodies that could be combined for Kanter. EK should be able to play PF alongside Pekovic. But, you could also do Kanter for Bennett straight up. Bennett is still on a rookie deal so no extension for 3 years and could grow into a stretch 4. I would do that deal, especially if Utah also got GRIII or a 2nd rounder.
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Hawks: THey will likely lose Millsap unless they want to give him a big raise next year. Kanter gives them a safety net with some upside. Do the Jazz want to pay Millsap 10-12 a year with Booker on the books and looking awesome at 5 mill a year? Probably not.
Lakers: Kanter gives them some help up front and lets the Jazz deal with Randle's severe injury recovery and development. Sounds like something the Lakers might be interested.
Miami: They don't have jack ****.
Knicks: Shumpert is a defensive stalwart that can guard either wing position. He probably has more value than Kanter. Shumpert shut down Lebron the other night.
Minnesota: I don't see Kanter and Pek as a good fit, worse than Favors and Kanter actually. Bennett has improved to much at this point to be had for Kanter, thats why GMs have to be fast on their feet.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Hawks: THey will likely lose Millsap unless they want to give him a big raise next year. Kanter gives them a safety net with some upside. Do the Jazz want to pay Millsap 10-12 a year with Booker on the books and looking awesome at 5 mill a year? Probably not.
Lakers: Kanter gives them some help up front and lets the Jazz deal with Randle's severe injury recovery and development. Sounds like something the Lakers might be interested.
Miami: They don't have jack ****.
Knicks: Shumpert is a defensive stalwart that can guard either wing position. He probably has more value than Kanter. Shumpert shut down Lebron the other night.
Minnesota: I don't see Kanter and Pek as a good fit, worse than Favors and Kanter actually. Bennett has improved to much at this point to be had for Kanter, thats why GMs have to be fast on their feet.
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I think Minnesota would pick up the phone for a Kanter-Bennett swap, but they'd push the Budinger or Martin contracts into the equation. Martin's deal is a no-go for me. They may also want to deal Pek in such an equation, so maybe a third team would be needed.

Basically, I think they'd dump contracts for picks right now, and if Kanter-for-Bennett sat in the middle of a deal that facilitated salary relief and pick(s), they'd have to be interested. I think.

I'm not saying I'm that interested in Bennett, BTW. I haven't watched him very much, but I'd be surprised if his defense isn't a liability. Dunno.
 
ONE LOVE said:
They made him play C since last year, I wonder if he isn't more to the PF position now that Gobert seems to be knocking on the door for the starting C plus Favors seems to have improved offensively & shooting it from decent range.

Gobert
Favors
Hayward
Burks
Exum

Nice lineup for the next 3-4 years.
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I see that as the future line up as well.


heyhey said:
I think Gobert and Favors need a Milsap type guy playing next to them.

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Millsap type
Gobert or Favors

Favors is definitely a starter in the NBA. For now Gobert will back him up but if Gobert proves to be a starter I think the Jazz will have a choice to make.
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I disagree, but I may be wrong. I like the Gobert and Favors combo. I wouldn't mind sacrificing a little offense for some great rim protection defense. I also think both Favors and Gobert's offense will improve. I think Favors already has nice form. I think he can learn to stretch the floor a little. I also think Gobert can improve significantly. He has nice form and is rapidly improving his free throw shooting. I can see him developing a mid range game as well. He strikes me as a smart guy. I think he'll figure it out. They should be having him start shooting some shots now so he can develop it. It can't hurt. If that guy develops an offensive game, he has the potential to be the best center in the league.

I think the idea of Favors and Gobert pairing together sounds like an opportunity you can't pass up without seeing if it can work first. We have to focus on building a great defensive team if we want to win a championship.
 
NAOS said:
I think Minnesota would pick up the phone for a Kanter-Bennett swap, but they'd push the Budinger or Martin contracts into the equation. Martin's deal is a no-go for me. They may also want to deal Pek in such an equation, so maybe a third team would be needed.

Basically, I think they'd dump contracts for picks right now, and if Kanter-for-Bennett sat in the middle of a deal that facilitated salary relief and pick(s), they'd have to be interested. I think.

I'm not saying I'm that interested in Bennett, BTW. I haven't watched him very much, but I'd be surprised if his defense isn't a liability. Dunno.
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Minnesota wouldn't trade Bennett for Kanter. They'd be stupid too. And we would be stupid to not make that deal. Bennett is going to be a stud. He's not a bust.
 
Bennett won't be coming to Utah... neither will the Lakers part with Randall.
Do I smell a Kanter for Boozer swap?
 
Hack said:
I see that as the future line up as well.





I disagree, but I may be wrong. I like the Gobert and Favors combo. I wouldn't mind sacrificing a little offense for some great rim protection defense. I also think both Favors and Gobert's offense will improve. I think Favors already has nice form. I think he can learn to stretch the floor a little. I also think Gobert can improve significantly. He has nice form and is rapidly improving his free throw shooting. I can see him developing a mid range game as well. He strikes me as a smart guy. I think he'll figure it out. They should be having him start shooting some shots now so he can develop it. It can't hurt. If that guy develops an offensive game, he has the potential to be the best center in the league.

I think the idea of Favors and Gobert pairing together sounds like an opportunity you can't pass up without seeing if it can work first. We have to focus on building a great defensive team if we want to win a championship.
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The huge problem with Favors/Gobert pairing is not their individual offense(which can be a problem, too), it is the team offense that suffers most - the spacing gets screwed totally. There was a point last night when the Suns refused to guard Gobert anywhere out of 15 feet. They just sagged off him and clogged the paint. I can't stress enough how much of a problem this is. It means that one of our players guards himself out of 15 feet. It means the opponent can double other player in certain situations without having to worry about getting abused for it. It means the opponent can use 1 player to guard 2 people in certain situations around the paint, thus having much easier task of help defense and covering the perimeter. It means that the pick and roll with Gobert becomes obsolete - when Gobert's man just doesn't come up with him to guard him, it means creating less mismatches.

Now imagine you have 2 player of this sort on the court at the same time. Favors is a bit better really, so that's unfair and he will make them regret sagging off him this much, but the point is still valid - we'd have 2 players on the floor who cannot score out of the paint. I simply don't see it as a viable option offensively in the long run.
 
I would love Pek, who is basically a rich-man's and proven Kanter.

I think I would love Pek, anyway. This is probably neither here nor there.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Hawks: THey will likely lose Millsap unless they want to give him a big raise next year. Kanter gives them a safety net with some upside. Do the Jazz want to pay Millsap 10-12 a year with Booker on the books and looking awesome at 5 mill a year? Probably not.
Lakers: Kanter gives them some help up front and lets the Jazz deal with Randle's severe injury recovery and development. Sounds like something the Lakers might be interested.
Miami: They don't have jack ****.
Knicks: Shumpert is a defensive stalwart that can guard either wing position. He probably has more value than Kanter. Shumpert shut down Lebron the other night.
Minnesota: I don't see Kanter and Pek as a good fit, worse than Favors and Kanter actually. Bennett has improved to much at this point to be had for Kanter, thats why GMs have to be fast on their feet.
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I'd hear Kupchak laughing all the way up at my house (35 miles NE of LA). Lakers KNOW they're going to be bad. They don't care. Randle WILL be a good player in the NBA. Kanter is a one-year rental and then gets overpaid by someone. LA would be willing to swap out Boozer for Kanter and maybe throw in a 2nd-round pick.

Kanter has very little value at this point. Every GM knows he can't play defense and is caught in between two positions. He might net a 2nd round pick at the deadline.
 
guys, guess what , i was expecting kanter to be much better right now than he actually is so i was wrong and i accept it. but please all peeople who got hatred for him, dont say he is a good player if he has good performance for couple of games in a row, like he got 2 bad games in a row. JUst have an opinion and defend it.

right now it is stupidest thing to trade kanter because he got no trade value at all. But at least he still got some potential. So see until end of season, if he consistently sucks, just let him go, simple as it is. Dont be a hater, be logical ( though im stilll a boozer hater)

i think burks is the real piece not fitting our team, he gotta be traded because he is a good player and we can get something in return, but we will get literally nothing for kanter in current position. best bet keep him until end of season to make a good decision. BUt i repeat it again and again, Burks, is not a good fit. we got exum , we got hayward who is better at 2, we cant keep all 3 of them. We need a powerful SF and make a rotation between hayward exum and him and let burks go. And burke may not be best pg ever but we cant afford a more quality pg while we pay so much to hayward. So burke should stay too. this is my opinion about our perimeter.

About bigmen, i believe Favors will be a good part of team but he aint become karl malone in one game and he wont become fesenko with couple bad games he will play thoroughout season. Just about kanter, all i can hope is he dont f...k up. Not for that he is turkish but for the sake of team. Because we wont be able to find a better player then one he would become with fulfilled potential with same price. And in contrary to some retard posters think (well just vermin actually), i am not a kanter fan but jazz fan, so if he sucks, he can go to hell, just it is not for the good of the team to boo him or trade him right now.
 
sepanol said:
i think burks is the real piece not fitting our team, he gotta be traded because he is a good player and we can get something in return, but we will get literally nothing for kanter in current position. best bet keep him until end of season to make a good decision. BUt i repeat it again and again, Burks, is not a good fit. we got exum , we got hayward who is better at 2, we cant keep all 3 of them. We need a powerful SF and make a rotation between hayward exum and him and let burks go. And burke may not be best pg ever but we cant afford a more quality pg while we pay so much to hayward. So burke should stay too. this is my opinion about our perimeter.
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Really?
 
I still love Kanter. Hope he is not traded. I think we will need him. that being said Booker has outplayed him to start the season. It's a long season however, and I hope he starts playing better.
 
sepanol said:
guys, guess what ,

Favors will be a good part of team but he aint become karl malone in one game and he wont become fesenko with couple bad games he will play thoroughout season. Just about kanter, all i can hope is he dont f...k up. Not for that he is turkish but for the sake of team. Because we wont be able to find a better player then one he would become with fulfilled potential with same price. And in contrary to some retard posters think (well just vermin actually), i am not a kanter fan but jazz fan, so if he sucks, he can go to hell, just it is not for the good of the team to boo him or trade him right now.
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What does being Turkish have to do with it? Is it like "being Turkish, he WOULD f...k up, naturally, and it would not be surprising, but in spite of that disadvantage of his I hope he doesn't f up..."?
 
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