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KatieMCR said:
I'm pretty firmly in the Android camp at this point. I came from the BlackBerry Storm. RIM has done nothing to move the BlackBerry forward with the rest of the smartphone world, and is on the brink of being totally obsolete. It would be hard to get me away from Android at this point. Nobody can beat Google's integration of their own services. I love what I'm seeing in the possibilities of Android's future as well. Google has a lot of great things to add. It's looking like Honeycomb is going to be a killer update for Android.
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call me paranoid but google isnt trustworthy they have made several privacy mistakes here in europe some lawsuits are running against them for so called privacy mistakes so i will never ever use android
 
SaltyDawg said:
I understand you can cherry pick data and see that some people expect computer sales to grow (and I expect those numbers to be revised in 4 years). But if you look a little closer, you will see smartphone sales growing at a much faster rate than computer sales. So if the average user is going to own a smartphone in 4 years, and that smartphone duplicates (and even exceeds) the production, speed, and convenience of a laptop, why would that average person buy a laptop anyway?
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That is exactly what you have been doing, cherrypicking data. Do you know anything about Forester or IDC? They, along with Gartner, are the premiere tech research companies for investors and the general industry. Reporting their findings is hardly cherry-picking, as they are generally recognized in the industry as the top-end tech data firms. They have for years made similar projectiopns and are generally very close to actual numbers, and they have been ahead on trends most years.

Here is some info from Gartner too:

By 2013, mobile phones could easily surpass PCs as the way most people hop onto the Web. Gartner's statistics show that the total number of PCs will reach 1.78 billion in three years, while the number of smartphones and Web-enabled phones will shoot past 1.82 billion units and continue to climb after that. This trend will force more Web sites to revamp their pages to make them easier to surf on a mobile gadget.
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https://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10434760-92.html#ixzz1AlrVqAe2

So their prediction is also for increases in PC and smartphone usage with smartphones overtaking PCs in 3 years, although far from replacing them. In fact if you do some research you will see that Garner more closely follows what you have been saying, but their projections still put the PC in a solid market position in 5 years.

If you want to talk who makes their living off the industry, these 3 firms do in a big way. I am pretty sure they are not "a bunch of clowns that have never owned a cell phone". I personally would trust a firm like this over a tech magazine for industry projections.
 
TheItinerantSon said:
Moe, is a tablet like the ipad (:vomit:) or one of the superior equivalents, not more like a smartphone than a laptop.

The netbook was killing the laptop and now the tablet is killing the netbook. If you're going to define that as a pc fine...but to me thats the nextgen smart phone and its here.
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I'm not sure what this is all about. I think you're asking me if a tablet computer is more like a phone or a laptop. To me, it's really neither, I'd put it into a different category from both. But if forced to choose, then to me it's more like a laptop. It's not small enough to fit in my pocket. It's not something I'm going to clip into a holder and hang from my belt.

BUT if you're talking about a smart phone as something like a hard-drive equivalent with extra bells and whistles, and the dock as something like a laptop without a hard drive (keyboard, display, ports and a docking mechanism) then perhaps at some point more people will utilize their phones the way they utilize a laptop or desktop.

Right now, what I'd really like is a time machine so I can jump four years into the future to see how this is really going to play out. But I'm sticking with my prediction, and I'm sure you're sticking to yours.
 
Seems like Salty is arguing technical obsolescence.

KEK and Log are arguing practical obsolescence.

I can't see that either side is wrong, since they're not really arguing the same point.
 
Bronco70 said:
Seems like Salty is arguing technical obsolescence.

KEK and Log are arguing practical obsolescence.

I can't see that either side is wrong, since they're not really arguing the same point.
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Good point. That is why I asked for a definition of "soon" and "replace". Groundless inflamatory language (the whole "clowns" comment) raises my hackles. I expect something backing that up to be grounded in fact, otherwise it is just a difference of opinion where everyone is a clown anyway.

If it is his opinion fine I can live with that, but to fight every argument with links and quotes, well that does not imply opinion. So a war of links and quotes ensues. Again it only matters if we can understand what replace and soon mean for the OP.

We know soon = 4 years. For "replace" If he means "viable alternative" and maybe even "option of choice for some segment of the population" then I agree whole-heartedly.

If he means "technologically advanced" then that is subject to interpretation, after all my video card in my computer is helping fold proteins with Standford, that is pretty high-tech, and mine is technically outdated (dual Radeon 5850's in crossfire), and my processor is the most powerful conceived yet - Intel i7 extreme (including cloud computing which still has major hurdles to go main-stream, including availability of networks and stability as well as standardization among others).

But if he means "supplant" well there is ample evidence to the contrary.
 
LogGrad98 said:
That is exactly what you have been doing, cherrypicking data. Do you know anything about Forester or IDC? They, along with Gartner, are the premiere tech research companies for investors and the general industry. Reporting their findings is hardly cherry-picking, as they are generally recognized in the industry as the top-end tech data firms. They have for years made similar projectiopns and are generally very close to actual numbers, and they have been ahead on trends most years.

Here is some info from Gartner too:



https://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10434760-92.html#ixzz1AlrVqAe2

So their prediction is also for increases in PC and smartphone usage with smartphones overtaking PCs in 3 years, although far from replacing them. In fact if you do some research you will see that Garner more closely follows what you have been saying, but their projections still put the PC in a solid market position in 5 years.

If you want to talk who makes their living off the industry, these 3 firms do in a big way. I am pretty sure they are not "a bunch of clowns that have never owned a cell phone". I personally would trust a firm like this over a tech magazine for industry projections.
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Real quick, check this out:
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php...e-computers-soon&p=93298&viewfull=1#post93298

Nice of you to suggest I need to do some research, and then post a link that I had already posted in this thread, lol.

So, you do know that those estimates are not set in stone, and have already been revised in the past, and will likely be revised again, right?

So let me make some sense of the arguments against me so far...

We have the people saying "smartphones won't be able to do it.." This seems to be most of the people.
We have a small percentage saying "laptops will be more convenient..." This argument seems to have died once everyone understood that was a dock and not an actual laptop in the video.

So I'm trying to understand what your argument is exactly. Are you saying, "I know smartphones will outsell computers and most average users will own a smartphone, and I know smartphones in 4 years will be more than capable of replacing a laptop for the average user, but I expect average users to buy both..."

I just don't get your argument here. Spell it out for me please so I can understand exactly where the disagreement is. I know there has to be more to it than "Forester says computers will keep selling so that is all I need..."

We'll see if Forster stands by those numbers in 4 years or if they have been revised by then.

I will again mention that 4 years ago the iPhone did not exist yet and most of the people reading this thread had never even heard of a smartphone. Look at the market today. And now the market is growing at an even faster rate, and the phones we are starting with are much more powerful, user friendly, and cheaper to buy than the smartphones of 4 years ago.

It's not reasonable to predict that just about every average user will have a smartphone, predict that smartphones will duplicate (or even exceed) the production, speed, and convenience of a laptop, and expect the average person to buy and use a laptop anyway.

Oh yeah, and if you are saying there are issues with cloud computing, please elaborate. What issues are there with cloud storage and cloud computing? There are no kinks there, it is silky smooth.
 
Last post for me since you are deadset on the "my argument is the only one worth thinking about" line of thought. I even revised my argument and laid it out there pretty well where you quoted me, showing that I am capable of recognizing the valid points you have brought up and revising my opinion. You just cannot even remotely consider anything other than your own opinion. I simply do not believe your initial premise that smartphones will REPLACE pc's in FOUR YEARS. I said depending on the definition of replace it is possible in some way for smartphones to replace PC's. You have done nothing but argue that point, even while trying to change it to fit what ever you are trying to argue about (the definition of replace). Here is the last part to show you just flat out do not know what you are talking about and are taking talking points from the people who want you to buy the phones as gospel:

Cloud Computing Issues

[edit]Privacy
The Cloud model has been criticized by privacy advocates for the greater ease in which the companies hosting the Cloud services control, and thus, can monitor at will, lawfully or unlawfully, the communication and data stored between the user and the host company. Instances such as the secret NSA program, working with AT&T, and Verizon, which recorded over 10 million phone calls between American citizens, causes uncertainty among privacy advocates, and the greater powers it gives to telecommunication companies to monitor user activity.[76] While there have been efforts (such as US-EU Safe Harbor) to "harmonize" the legal environment, providers such as Amazon still cater to major markets (typically the United States and the European Union) by deploying local infrastructure and allowing customers to select "availability zones."[77]

[edit]Compliance
In order to obtain compliance with regulations including FISMA, HIPAA and SOX in the United States, the Data Protection Directive in the EU and the credit card industry's PCI DSS, users may have to adopt community or hybrid deployment modes which are typically more expensive and may offer restricted benefits. This is how Google is able to "manage and meet additional government policy requirements beyond FISMA"[78][79] and Rackspace Cloud are able to claim PCI compliance.[80] Customers in the EU contracting with Cloud Providers established outside the EU/EEA have to adhere to the EU regulations on export of personal data.[81]
Many providers also obtain SAS 70 Type II certification (e.g. Amazon,[82] Salesforce.com,[83] Google[84] and Microsoft[85]), but this has been criticised on the grounds that the hand-picked set of goals and standards determined by the auditor and the auditee are often not disclosed and can vary widely.[86] Providers typically make this information available on request, under non-disclosure agreement.[87]

[edit]Legal
In March 2007, Dell applied to trademark the term "cloud computing" (U.S. Trademark 77,139,082) in the United States. The "Notice of Allowance" the company received in July 2008 was canceled in August, resulting in a formal rejection of the trademark application less than a week later. Since 2007, the number of trademark filings covering cloud computing brands, goods and services has increased at an almost exponential rate. As companies sought to better position themselves for cloud computing branding and marketing efforts, cloud computing trademark filings increased by 483% between 2008 and 2009. In 2009, 116 cloud computing trademarks were filed, and trademark analysts predict that over 500 such marks could be filed during 2010.[88]
Other legal cases may shape the use of cloud computing by the public sector. On October 29, 2010, Google filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Interior, which opened up a bid for software that required that bidders use Microsoft's Business Productivity Online Suite. Google sued, calling the requirement "unduly restrictive of competition."[89] Scholars have pointed out that, beginning in 2005, the prevalence of open standards and open source may have an impact on the way that public entities choose to select vendors.[90]

[edit]Open source
Open source software has provided the foundation for many cloud computing implementations.[91] In November 2007, the Free Software Foundation released the Affero General Public License, a version of GPLv3 intended to close a perceived legal loophole associated with free software designed to be run over a network.[92]

[edit]Open standards
See also: Category:Cloud standards
Most cloud providers expose APIs which are typically well-documented (often under a Creative Commons license[93]) but also unique to their implementation and thus not interoperable. Some vendors have adopted others' APIs[94] and there are a number of open standards under development, including the OGF's Open Cloud Computing Interface. The Open Cloud Consortium (OCC)[95] is working to develop consensus on early cloud computing standards and practices.

[edit]Security
Main article: Cloud computing security
The relative security of cloud computing services is a contentious issue which may be delaying its adoption.[96] Issues barring the adoption of cloud computing is due in large part to the private and public sectors unease surrounding the external management of security based services. It is the very nature of cloud computing based services, private or public, that promote external management of provided services. This delivers great incentive amongst cloud computing service providers in producing a priority in building and maintaining strong management of secure services.[97]
Organizations have been formed in order to provide standards for a better future in cloud computing services. One organization in particular, the Cloud Security Alliance is a non-profit organization formed to promote the use of best practices for providing security assurance within Cloud Computing.[98]

[edit]Availability and performance
In addition to concerns about security, businesses are also worried about acceptable levels of availability and performance of applications hosted in the cloud.[99]
There are also concerns about a cloud provider shutting down for financial or legal reasons, which has happened in a number of cases.[100]

[edit]Sustainability and siting
Although cloud computing is often assumed to be a form of "green computing", there is as of yet no published study to substantiate this assumption.[101] Siting the servers affects the environmental effects of cloud computing. In areas where climate favors natural cooling and renewable electricity is readily available, the environmental effects will be more moderate. Thus countries with favorable conditions, such as Finland,[102] Sweden and Switzerland,[103] are trying to attract cloud computing data centers.
SmartBay, marine research infrastructure of sensors and computational technology, is being developed using Cloud computing, an emerging approach to shared infrastructure in which large pools of systems are linked together to provide IT services. [104]

I never take wikipedia for the ultimate authority but they lay it out pretty clearly here, with reference if you care to tell us how more industry experts are morons. Cloud computing is anything but silky smooth at this point in its development.
 
Last post for me since you are deadset on the "my argument is the only one worth thinking about" line of thought. I even revised my argument and laid it out there pretty well where you quoted me, showing that I am capable of recognizing the valid points you have brought up and revising my opinion. You just cannot even remotely consider anything other than your own opinion. I simply do not believe your initial premise that smartphones will REPLACE pc's in FOUR YEARS. I said depending on the definition of replace it is possible in some way for smartphones to replace PC's. You have done nothing but argue that point, even while trying to change it to fit what ever you are trying to argue about (the definition of replace). Here is the last part to show you just flat out do not know what you are talking about and are taking talking points from the people who want you to buy the phones as gospel:

Cloud Computing Issues

[edit]Privacy
The Cloud model has been criticized by privacy advocates for the greater ease in which the companies hosting the Cloud services control, and thus, can monitor at will, lawfully or unlawfully, the communication and data stored between the user and the host company. Instances such as the secret NSA program, working with AT&T, and Verizon, which recorded over 10 million phone calls between American citizens, causes uncertainty among privacy advocates, and the greater powers it gives to telecommunication companies to monitor user activity.[76] While there have been efforts (such as US-EU Safe Harbor) to "harmonize" the legal environment, providers such as Amazon still cater to major markets (typically the United States and the European Union) by deploying local infrastructure and allowing customers to select "availability zones."[77]

[edit]Compliance
In order to obtain compliance with regulations including FISMA, HIPAA and SOX in the United States, the Data Protection Directive in the EU and the credit card industry's PCI DSS, users may have to adopt community or hybrid deployment modes which are typically more expensive and may offer restricted benefits. This is how Google is able to "manage and meet additional government policy requirements beyond FISMA"[78][79] and Rackspace Cloud are able to claim PCI compliance.[80] Customers in the EU contracting with Cloud Providers established outside the EU/EEA have to adhere to the EU regulations on export of personal data.[81]
Many providers also obtain SAS 70 Type II certification (e.g. Amazon,[82] Salesforce.com,[83] Google[84] and Microsoft[85]), but this has been criticised on the grounds that the hand-picked set of goals and standards determined by the auditor and the auditee are often not disclosed and can vary widely.[86] Providers typically make this information available on request, under non-disclosure agreement.[87]

[edit]Legal
In March 2007, Dell applied to trademark the term "cloud computing" (U.S. Trademark 77,139,082) in the United States. The "Notice of Allowance" the company received in July 2008 was canceled in August, resulting in a formal rejection of the trademark application less than a week later. Since 2007, the number of trademark filings covering cloud computing brands, goods and services has increased at an almost exponential rate. As companies sought to better position themselves for cloud computing branding and marketing efforts, cloud computing trademark filings increased by 483% between 2008 and 2009. In 2009, 116 cloud computing trademarks were filed, and trademark analysts predict that over 500 such marks could be filed during 2010.[88]
Other legal cases may shape the use of cloud computing by the public sector. On October 29, 2010, Google filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Interior, which opened up a bid for software that required that bidders use Microsoft's Business Productivity Online Suite. Google sued, calling the requirement "unduly restrictive of competition."[89] Scholars have pointed out that, beginning in 2005, the prevalence of open standards and open source may have an impact on the way that public entities choose to select vendors.[90]

[edit]Open source
Open source software has provided the foundation for many cloud computing implementations.[91] In November 2007, the Free Software Foundation released the Affero General Public License, a version of GPLv3 intended to close a perceived legal loophole associated with free software designed to be run over a network.[92]

[edit]Open standards
See also: Category:Cloud standards
Most cloud providers expose APIs which are typically well-documented (often under a Creative Commons license[93]) but also unique to their implementation and thus not interoperable. Some vendors have adopted others' APIs[94] and there are a number of open standards under development, including the OGF's Open Cloud Computing Interface. The Open Cloud Consortium (OCC)[95] is working to develop consensus on early cloud computing standards and practices.

[edit]Security
Main article: Cloud computing security
The relative security of cloud computing services is a contentious issue which may be delaying its adoption.[96] Issues barring the adoption of cloud computing is due in large part to the private and public sectors unease surrounding the external management of security based services. It is the very nature of cloud computing based services, private or public, that promote external management of provided services. This delivers great incentive amongst cloud computing service providers in producing a priority in building and maintaining strong management of secure services.[97]
Organizations have been formed in order to provide standards for a better future in cloud computing services. One organization in particular, the Cloud Security Alliance is a non-profit organization formed to promote the use of best practices for providing security assurance within Cloud Computing.[98]

[edit]Availability and performance
In addition to concerns about security, businesses are also worried about acceptable levels of availability and performance of applications hosted in the cloud.[99]
There are also concerns about a cloud provider shutting down for financial or legal reasons, which has happened in a number of cases.[100]

[edit]Sustainability and siting
Although cloud computing is often assumed to be a form of "green computing", there is as of yet no published study to substantiate this assumption.[101] Siting the servers affects the environmental effects of cloud computing. In areas where climate favors natural cooling and renewable electricity is readily available, the environmental effects will be more moderate. Thus countries with favorable conditions, such as Finland,[102] Sweden and Switzerland,[103] are trying to attract cloud computing data centers.
SmartBay, marine research infrastructure of sensors and computational technology, is being developed using Cloud computing, an emerging approach to shared infrastructure in which large pools of systems are linked together to provide IT services. [104]

I never take wikipedia for the ultimate authority but they lay it out pretty clearly here, with reference if you care to tell us how more industry experts are morons. Cloud computing is anything but silky smooth at this point in its development.
 
Okay, I can see where someone might be concerned about privacy in some specific instances. But the rest of that stuff you posted... Can you site some specific instances on where any of that is actually a problem?

Google sued the government in order to allow other platforms to be used instead of just Microsoft. And how exactly is this a problem for cloud computing? Dell tried to patent the term "cloud computing" and was rejected. And how exactly is this a problem in real world usage?

I'm not even sure you fully understand what cloud computing is based on your last post. Either that or you didn't even read it and just copied and pasted it or something...

In short, cloud computing is using google calendar (or windows live, whatever) with the data stored online. It's using gmail or hotmail or other email stored online (so it's the same on any computer you check it from). It's using a skydrive or google docs with your stuff stored online. Heck, it's even using photobucket or image shack and storing your stuff online. Dropbox, google maps and navigation, youtube- all cloud.

Where has any of that stuff you posted ever created any problems for using any of those things?

Like I said, cloud computing is silky smooth. There might be some privacy concerns, but that is the only potential issue out of your whole list. And even that is not a big deal, and hasn't slowed cloud computing one bit.
 
Salty, what you don't seem to understand is that you are all about absolutes. Look at the title of this thread. "Smartphones to replace computers soon." It's an absolute with no wiggle room. LogGrad has shown that it is not an absolute and that in fact laptops will increase in sales from where they are now. This doesn't sit well with you because it simply doesn't jive with your opinion so now LogGrad is a clown. Then you spend 50 pages retracting your statement but in a way that makes it sound like it's what you meant all along while stating that everyone else is still wrong. It's quite amazing actually.

You do this all the time. The whole "clearly" joke is based on your statements that "clearly A is better than B" when it is nothing more than your opinion. Then when people question your opinion you call them clowns, or worse. All the while you haven't proven your absolute statement that starts the debate.

Nobody is arguing that smartphones will not overtake a larger portion of the market share. Just that smartphones will not replace computers and computer sales will stay strong and in fact continue to grow over where they stand. Based on your thread title and initial post, your contention is that smartphones will completely replace all computer configurations making everything but smart phones obsolete. These are your words, your argument. And it is flat out wrong. If that's not what you meant you should have titled the thread differently.

The amazing part, and I have seen this on multiple subjects, is that even people initially in your corner eventually turn on you. That leaves us with two conclusions.

1. You are absolutely right and everyone else is a clown

OR

2. Everyone else is right and you are wrong

Given the choice between the two which do you think is most likely true??

Nevermind. I already know your answer.
 
Marcus said:
Salty, what you don't seem to understand is that you are all about absolutes. Look at the title of this thread. "Smartphones to replace computers soon." It's an absolute with no wiggle room. LogGrad has shown that it is not an absolute and that in fact laptops will increase in sales from where they are now. This doesn't sit well with you because it simply doesn't jive with your opinion so now LogGrad is a clown. Then you spend 50 pages retracting your statement but in a way that makes it sound like it's what you meant all along while stating that everyone else is still wrong. It's quite amazing actually.

You do this all the time. The whole "clearly" joke is based on your statements that "clearly A is better than B" when it is nothing more than your opinion. Then when people question your opinion you call them clowns, or worse. All the while you haven't proven your absolute statement that starts the debate.

Nobody is arguing that smartphones will not overtake a larger portion of the market share. Just that smartphones will not replace computers and computer sales will stay strong and in fact continue to grow over where they stand. Based on your thread title and initial post, your contention is that smartphones will completely replace all computer configurations making everything but smart phones obsolete. These are your words, your argument. And it is flat out wrong. If that's not what you meant you should have titled the thread differently.

The amazing part, and I have seen this on multiple subjects, is that even people initially in your corner eventually turn on you. That leaves us with two conclusions.

1. You are absolutely right and everyone else is a clown

OR

2. Everyone else is right and you are wrong

Given the choice between the two which do you think is most likely true??

Nevermind. I already know your answer.
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All this from the clown who just barely got his first ever smartphone.

Show me where I backtracked. I didn't. I stand by my argument. And we'll see who the clown is in 4 years. It's already looking a lot more realistic than it was a year ago when I predicted it.

And it is not "everyone" against me. Nice try. It's about 5 posters on this site. You really are a loser if "everyone" to you is about 5 people on this site.

The difference between you and me is I don't give a crap if you (or anyone else on some message board) don't like me. I am not trying to fit in or be accepted. Either you like my posts or you don't. The only time it bothers me is when you clowns purposely try to get a good thread derailed and closed. Other than that, hate me all you want.

And you are clowns. You take cheap shots, stupid one liners, etc.

I never called log a clown, nice try again. I did call you a clown though.

My argument was cleary spelled out. Your nonsense about what my argument has to be because of the title is just that- nonsense. If I personally stop using 2 old computers and instead use 2 smartphones it fits the description of the title. It doesn't have to mean what you said. And I clarified my argument many times anyway.
 
SaltyDawg said:
All this from the clown who just barely got his first ever smartphone.

Show me where I backtracked. I didn't. I stand by my argument. And we'll see who the clown is in 4 years. It's already looking a lot more realistic than it was a year ago when I predicted it.

And it is not "everyone" against me. Nice try. It's about 5 posters on this site. You really are a loser if "everyone" to you is about 5 people on this site.

The difference between you and me is I don't give a crap if you (or anyone else on some message board) don't like me. I am not trying to fit in or be accepted. Either you like my posts or you don't. The only time it bothers me is when you clowns purposely try to get a good thread derailed and closed. Other than that, hate me all you want.

And you are clowns. You take cheap shots, stupid one liners, etc.

I never called log a clown, nice try again. I did call you a clown though.

My argument was cleary spelled out. Your nonsense about what my argument has to be because of the title is just that- nonsense. If I personally stop using 2 old computers and instead use 2 smartphones it fits the description of the title. It doesn't have to mean what you said. And I clarified my argument many times anyway.
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I'll say one thing for you, if nothing else you're consistent if not predicatble.

Salty said:
The only time it bothers me is when you clowns purposely try to get a good thread derailed and closed.
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Here's where you lose so many. You couldn't just state your case, you had to insult any number of people in your initial post to start the process. If you can't see how this is detrimental to your cause you stand no chance.
 
Marcus said:
I'll say one thing for you, if nothing else you're consistent if not predicatble.



Here's where you lose so many. You couldn't just state your case, you had to insult any number of people in your initial post to start the process. If you can't see how this is detrimental to your cause you stand no chance.
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What exactly is my "cause" that you speak of? lol, I posted my opinion. When it was challenged I backed it up with a combination of facts, logic, and some common sense. The fact that you think I (or anyone else) have some sort of "cause" is part of your problem. This isn't a high school popularity contest.

Again, if you think it bothers me that 5 or so posters follow me to every thread and give each other e-high fives every time one of them takes an e-swing at me you are sorely mistaken. The only time it bothers me is when it gets so out of hand the thread gets derailed and closed.
Other than getting threads derailed and closed, you clowns can hate me or love me and I promise you I won't feel any different, either way. If 5 or so people on a single message board (that you probably have never even met in real life anyway) is "everyone" to you then you have some real problems.

And to clarify, I did not back track one iota from my argument. We had this discussion on the old board and my argument was the exact same back then. If I was back tracking I would not have started the thread in the first place.
 
SaltyDawg said:
All this from the clown who just barely got his first ever smartphone.

Show me where I backtracked. I didn't. I stand by my argument. And we'll see who the clown is in 4 years. It's already looking a lot more realistic than it was a year ago when I predicted it.

And it is not "everyone" against me. Nice try. It's about 5 posters on this site. You really are a loser if "everyone" to you is about 5 people on this site.

The difference between you and me is I don't give a crap if you (or anyone else on some message board) don't like me. I am not trying to fit in or be accepted. Either you like my posts or you don't. The only time it bothers me is when you clowns purposely try to get a good thread derailed and closed. Other than that, hate me all you want.

And you are clowns. You take cheap shots, stupid one liners, etc.

I never called log a clown, nice try again. I did call you a clown though.

My argument was cleary spelled out. Your nonsense about what my argument has to be because of the title is just that- nonsense. If I personally stop using 2 old computers and instead use 2 smartphones it fits the description of the title. It doesn't have to mean what you said. And I clarified my argument many times anyway.
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For the record, are you calling me a clown?

SENT FROM MY LAPTOP WHICH WORKS PERFECTLY FINE AND DOESN'T NEED OTHER ACCESSORIES TO BE FULLY FUNCTIONING
 
I know this is off-topic to the majority of this bitch-fest of a thread, but I just wanted to point out that the upcoming Verizon iPhone will not be LTE-capable, as was claimed earlier. This means that since it's on Verizon's 3G, users will not be able to use web services while talking on the phone. This is according to the official announcement, as summarized by Engadget here.
 
By the way salty, Florida State will be in a BCS game next year while Utah's still collecting their thoughts after finishing 4th in the Pac-10 and winning the Sun Bowl.
 
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