yet another stupid death in children gun related accident...yes, in USA of course.

[The Thriller]

These numbers are likely highly skewed in the South. Don't get me wrong, the numbers are what they are. But those Kentucky folk and the like are some dumbass people.

And the girls were probably wearing short skirts. Kinda asking for it if you ask me...

 

[Hantlers]

Guns are good.

People who thinks guns are bad, are dumb.

No reason to get rid of guns.

People should be more educated on guns, but hell, people are pretty damn educated on drugs and that doesn't seem to help them much either.

Guns are good.

 

[One Brow]

The oft quoted "a gun in the house is more likely to kill a family member than an intruder" is counting suicides and domestic violence assaults.

Guns make both suicides attempts and domestic assaults more deadly. It's not like there presence makes no difference in the body count.

 

[Gameface]

Guns make both suicides attempts and domestic assaults more deadly. It's not like there presence makes no difference in the body count.

I don't disagree with that.

 

[Beer]

Guns are good.

People who thinks guns are bad, are dumb.

No reason to get rid of guns.

People should be more educated on guns, but hell, people are pretty damn educated on drugs and that doesn't seem to help them much either.

Guns are good.

Guns are stupid.

About 2% of the population actually need guns. The rest trick themselves into thinking they need them.

Guns do kill people. Because people that have guns use them. If guns were bought and locked away forever I might buy the argument that guns don't kill people.

1 stupid second of not paying attention, being forgetful, having a smart but obviously stupid kid, etc .... can ruin your life forever. Not worth it. I really am sorry for people that insist on having guns in their home. And I'm sorry for their kids.

 

[Stoked]

Guns are stupid.

About 2% of the population actually need guns. The rest trick themselves into thinking they need them.

Guns do kill people. Because people that have guns use them. If guns were bought and locked away forever I might buy the argument that guns don't kill people.

1 stupid second of not paying attention, being forgetful, having a smart but obviously stupid kid, etc .... can ruin your life forever. Not worth it. I really am sorry for people that insist on having guns in their home. And I'm sorry for their kids.

Oh thank you so much! I was wondering who was going to feel sorry for me for owning guns, glad I finally found you. My children will rest easy tonight knowing you care.

 

[Hantlers]

Guns are stupid.

About 2% of the population actually need guns. The rest trick themselves into thinking they need them.

Guns do kill people. Because people that have guns use them. If guns were bought and locked away forever I might buy the argument that guns don't kill people.

1 stupid second of not paying attention, being forgetful, having a smart but obviously stupid kid, etc .... can ruin your life forever. Not worth it. I really am sorry for people that insist on having guns in their home. And I'm sorry for their kids.

See...you're one of the dumb ones.

 

[Beer]

See...you're one of the dumb ones.

Takes one to know one. Ohhhhh!

 

[Hantlers]

Takes one to know one. Ohhhhh!

Actually most dumb people aren't very adept at realizing when somebody is an idiot.

 

[Beer]

Actually most dumb people aren't very adept at realizing when somebody is an idiot.

So how would you know if I was dumb then?

 

[Hantlers]

So how would you know if I was dumb then?

It's obviously because I'm not dumb. And guns are good!

 

[Beer]

It's obviously because I'm not dumb. And guns are good!

I really don't think gun owners are dumb or bad. Well a little bit i do. But I just cannot see the rational behind having them outside of "fun". I don't buy into the home protection bit at all. As for me and my house I'll do my best to not have any unnecessary threats to my children around. But to each his own.

 

[Hantlers]

I really don't think gun owners are dumb or bad. Well a little bit i do. But I just cannot see the rational behind having them outside of "fun". I don't buy into the home protection bit at all. As for me and my house I'll do my best to not have any unnecessary threats to my children around. But to each his own.

It ain't my fault I have lots of nice things that people want to steal.

I also use them to get food for my family. I'm dumb for doing that though. Lol.

 

[Beer]

It ain't my fault I have lots of nice things that people want to steal.

I also use them to get food for my family. I'm dumb for doing that though. Lol.

Have you ever heard of a store?

 

[Hantlers]

Have you ever heard of a store?

Sure have. I even use it on occasion! Heaven forbid I use a cheaper method to get better meat. Plus I figure I feed the damn things all year, I have the right to kill and eat them.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

It ain't my fault I have lots of nice things that people want to steal.

I also use them to get food for my family. I'm dumb for doing that though. Lol.

Honest question for you and others.

What do you think the relative odds are of:
1. Somebody breaking into your house to steal something necessitating the use or threat of deadly force via a gun
2. An accidental discharge of a gun causing death or injury

I'm sure there are statistics on this somewhere.

Personally, I've never met anyone in my circle of acquaintances who ever had to fire or threaten to use a gun to protect their person or belongings.

I've personally known three people who have had an accidental gun discharge in their house, fortunately none with deadly outcomes.

I understand the desire to protect one's self, but I see it as a matter of relative risk. Both the above are low probability events, but I'm guessing accidental discharges occur with a significantly higher frequency than successful defenses of persons or property.

This is an empirical question, however, not one of ideology.

 

[Beer]

Honest question for you and others.

What do you think the relative odds are of:
1. Somebody breaking into your house to steal something necessitating the use or threat of deadly force via a gun
2. An accidental discharge of a gun causing death or injury

I'm sure there are statistics on this somewhere.

Personally, I've never met anyone in my circle of acquaintances who ever had to fire or threaten to use a gun to protect their person or belongings.

I've personally known three people who have had an accidental gun discharge in their house, fortunately none with deadly outcomes.

I understand the desire to protect one's self, but I see it as a matter of relative risk. Both the above are low probability events, but I'm guessing accidental discharges occur with a significantly higher frequency than successful defenses of persons or property.

This is an empirical question, however, not one of ideology.

I've looked for studies on this and have never found one that wasn't obviously put out by one side or the other so their results were sketchy at best. I would say that I've also heard of numerous people who've had a kid get a hold of a gun or a gun go off. But never have I met anyone that defended his family with a gun. So I think its safe to say accidental deaths are more common than gunfights where you win.

 

[Hantlers]

Honest question for you and others.

What do you think the relative odds are of:
1. Somebody breaking into your house to steal something necessitating the use or threat of deadly force via a gun
2. An accidental discharge of a gun causing death or injury

I'm sure there are statistics on this somewhere.

Personally, I've never met anyone in my circle of acquaintances who ever had to fire or threaten to use a gun to protect their person or belongings.

I've personally known three people who have had an accidental gun discharge in their house, fortunately none with deadly outcomes.

I understand the desire to protect one's self, but I see it as a matter of relative risk. Both the above are low probability events, but I'm guessing accidental discharges occur with a significantly higher frequency than successful defenses of persons or property.

This is an empirical question, however, not one of ideology.

Both are very, very, low.

I handle guns almost daily. My dad has done the same for years. Same with many family members. Same with many of our employees. Not once have any of us had a gun accidentally go off. It's pretty easy to avoid.

1) never, ever keep a loaded gun in the house or vehicle.
2) never, ever repair a gun or clean a gun if it's loaded.
3) always, always check if a gun is loaded before handling it.

I have a gun below my bed for safety. I keep a loaded clip near it, but never in it. My wife knows where it is, and how to use it. When people come over (especially kids), I move it somewhere nobody can find it and put the ammo in a separate place. Taking away guns because of stupid people is ludicrous. We should promote education.

Funny how people wouldnt promote abstinence, but instead said we needed more education. Same thing applies here.

 

[Beer]

Both are very, very, low.

I handle guns almost daily. My dad has done the same for years. Same with many family members. Same with many of our employees. Not once have any of us had a gun accidentally go off. It's pretty easy to avoid.

1) never, ever keep a loaded gun in the house or vehicle.
2) never, ever repair a gun or clean a gun if it's loaded.
3) always, always check if a gun is loaded before handling it.

I have a gun below my bed for safety. I keep a loaded clip near it, but never in it. My wife knows where it is, and how to use it. When people come over (especially kids), I move it somewhere nobody can find it and put the ammo in a separate place. Taking away guns because of stupid people is ludicrous. We should promote education.

Funny how people wouldnt promote abstinence, but instead said we needed more education. Same thing applies here.

Hypothetical here: You are at work. Your wife's sister comes over with their kids. Kids are dumb and stupid so they are playing around where they shouldn't be. They find a gun ... they find a clip ..... Now what?

 

[Hantlers]

Hypothetical here: You are at work. Your wife's sister comes over with their kids. Kids are dumb and stupid so they are playing around where they shouldn't be. They find a gun ... they find a clip ..... Now what?

Nice strawman. I would say it isn't worth a response, but I'll humor you.

1) wife's sister doesn't have kids
2) wife knows the rules about guns. She or I would move it before they get there.
3) kids can't unlock a safe.

I could retort with a "what would you do if someone broke in and was going to rape your family and all you had was a little stick" question, but that would be a stupid retort, and I try to avoid those.

In the future, avoid strawmen type questions. They don't work.