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GAMETHREAD: Jazz hosting Warriors - 1/13 7pm (mst) ROOT

r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
There are 76 centers ranked by this DRPM stat ("Player's estimated on-court impact on team defensive performance, measured in points allowed per 100 defensive possessions") at ESPN:

https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/9

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Heh
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Offensively 26th. Which isn't impressive really.

Edit: and 75th in wins above replacement. What a gem he is.
 
Cy said:
It would be one thing if Kanter was a physically inept defender, but he isn't really. He has good enough size to be a good defender. He is just slow as **** on rotations. Always a half-second late (on good days).
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The pregame radio show said Kanter's ankle was not 100% and it would impact his lateral movement.
 
LazyD said:
Cy, you just need to lower expectations for Kanter. I've found myself to be much more mellow (#mmm) after accepting the fact that he'll always suck at defense, and always be bad at passing.

Just chill, bro.

Had the Jazz been able to force the Warriors to play any halfcourt offense in the 2nd half, we probably would have seen them mercilessly pick apart Kanter. Instead, they got up in our grill, made us take ****ty shots, rebounded the basketball, and ran to the other end of the court for easy buckets.
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I ought to neg you for that, but I just don't have the ambition or energy.
 
Exum needs to be sent down to the DLeague. He's turrible, just turrible. I'd rather watch Clark play PG. Heck, even play Novak. At least he can shoot. Exum passed up a few opportunities to drive. He passed up decent shots to pass into traffic. All he's good for is getting the ball, taking a couple dribbles before he throws it to someone else, and then he stands in the corner waiting for a 3...which he usually misses. The NBA is WAY above his head right now.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Exum needs to be sent down to the DLeague. He's turrible, just turrible. I'd rather watch Clark play PG. Heck, even play Novak. At least he can shoot. Exum passed up a few opportunities to drive. He passed up decent shots to pass into traffic. All he's good for is getting the ball, taking a couple dribbles before he throws it to someone else, and then he stands in the corner waiting for a 3...which he usually misses. The NBA is WAY above his head right now.
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would be a good idea except:

1- would probably make him lose confidence in himself in thinking he's not an nba player, and also a lot of outside criticism of his game from media etc.
2- d-league plays nothing like NBA right now. i'm not sure it helps him prepare that much for NBA games. when you get teams having non-OT games that end 172-169 and stuff... it might not be the best culture to develop in for a young kid.
 
aussietin said:
would be a good idea except:

1- would probably make him lose confidence in himself in thinking he's not an nba player, and also a lot of outside criticism of his game from media etc.
2- d-league plays nothing like NBA right now. i'm not sure it helps him prepare that much for NBA games. when you get teams having non-OT games that end 172-169 and stuff... it might not be the best culture to develop in for a young kid.
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The more he shoots, the better it would be. Also, have the coach in Idaho kick his *** and make him start penetrating. I don't think he'd lose confidence, because he has none right now. He's a boy playing against grown men.
 
Hekate said:
They shot 20/39 through 3 quarters when Gobert was on the court.
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I didn't mention Gobert and he's kind of irrelevant to your original point, but if you want to turn this into Gobert's defense vs Kanter's, you've already lost.
 
KD's Framily said:
I didn't mention Gobert and he's kind of irrelevant to your original point, but if you want to turn this into Gobert's defense vs Kanter's, you've already lost.
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I wasn't trying to win anything and I am not comparing Goberts and Kanters defense. The stat shows that your cherry-picking was wrong. GSW just obliterated our whole team.
 
Hekate said:
I wasn't trying to win anything and I am not comparing Goberts and Kanters defense. The stat shows that your cherry-picking was wrong. GSW just obliterated our whole team.
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You said that the Jazz's defense was bad even when Kanter was on the bench. The stat isn't "cherry-picking" anything: The Warriors shot 71% with Kanter in the game and 41% with him on the bench.

Your original point was wrong, and what Gobert did/didn't do is completely irrelevant to that.
 
KD's Framily said:
Are you an idiot?

You said that the Jazz's defense was bad even when Kanter was on the bench. The stat isn't "cherry-picking" anything: The Warriors shot 71% with Kanter in the game and 41% with him on the bench.

Your original point was wrong, and what Gobert did/didn't do is completely irrelevant to that.
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Did you watch 3 q or were you mindraped by all the 3s that you forgot it? GSW shot 20 of 39 trough 3 Q with Gobert on the floor. Does that mean Gobert is a bad defender? No, it means we couldn't defend anything as a team.
 
Hekate said:
Did you watch 3 q or were you mindraped by all the 3s that you forgot it? GSW shot 20 of 39 trough 3 Q with Gobert on the floor. Does that mean Gobert is a bad defender? No, it means we couldn't defend anything as a team.
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Jesus Christ, kid, this has nothing to do with Gobert. All this has to do with is your claim that the Jazz defense was bad even with Kanter on the bench.

Read the previous paragraph over and over until it sinks. And then continue:

The Warriors shot 30% worse when Kanter was on the bench. Therefore, your claim was wrong.

And again, a reminder: Gobert has nothing to do with this.
 
KD's Framily said:
Jesus Christ, kid, this has nothing to do with Gobert. All this has to do with is your claim that the Jazz defense was bad even with Kanter on the bench.

Read the previous paragraph over and over until it sinks. And then continue:

The Warriors shot 30% worse when Kanter was on the bench. Therefore, your claim was wrong.

And again, a reminder: Gobert has nothing to do with this.
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Lets look at this like this. Gordon Hayward had a opp %efg of 69.2, Derrick Favors had 66.7, Enes Kanter 69.7. None of this players played in the fourth Q(may be Derrick did) to save their numbers. Are you too dense to understand that Enes didn't play all through 3 quarters and was on the bench sometimes but they still have identical opp %efgs?

And I didn't even say we played bad when kanter was on the bench( we did), I said Favors had some defensive lapses even when Kanter was on the bench.
 
Hekate said:
Are you too dense to understand that Enes didn't play all through 3 quarters and was on the bench sometimes but they still have identical opp %efgs?.
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Well I give up. I don't know how to get this guy to address my argument.
 
KD's Framily said:
Well I give up. I don't know how to get this guy to address my argument.
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Just where did you get your stat and can you run it for Favors and Hayward as well and try to run it one more time with just through the 3 Q.
 
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