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Collier’s Future

Earlier this year (probably December) I said that Collier was a playmaker and I had a half dozen comments saying how wrong I was and how terrible he is at basketball. And then not two weeks later he figured things out. And now peeps be like... he is a playermaker.

Yeah... that was fun.
 
David Hume said:
Right now, All-Time Jazz Point Guard List probably looks something like this:
1. John Stockton
2. Deron Williams
3. Mike Conley
4. Ricky Green

Will Collier make it to 5 or higher?
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In my best 18th century voice, in order that the great Mr. Hume might more readily comprehend:

Thou hast proffered unto us a considerable challenge. A modicum of skepticism may indeed arise when one endeavoreth to discern the future with but scant data. Nevertheless, I shall strive to assume the mantle of Jazz expertise and venture forth with a bold conjecture. Young Collier shall prove to be the preeminent choice amongst this illustrious assembly.
 
Right now, the issue with Collier is that when the Jazz bring in a dynamic wing or dynamic bigger guard, they'll probably play that player on the ball. So Collier is going to need to expand his game and contribute as an off-ball player as well.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The form isn't broken, but there is some small form issue that leads to wildly inconsistent misses from deep. I can't recall a player whose misses are as all over the rim as Colliers. I think he can definitely work it though
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Agreed. I've fixed a lot of things in my past just putting in a lot of repetitions in it. I remember one summer I needed to make my turn around jumper get better. It took hours and hours every week but in the end of summer it had become very much better. And these guys have much better help and more talent.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Earlier this year (probably December) I said that Collier was a playmaker and I had a half dozen comments saying how wrong I was and how terrible he is at basketball. And then not two weeks later he figured things out. And now peeps be like... he is a playermaker.

Yeah... that was fun.
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I was basically saying the same
1-Jazzfan said:
Ricky Rubio & Pistol Pete?
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Pistol mostly played sg
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Right now, the issue with Collier is that when the Jazz bring in a dynamic wing or dynamic bigger guard, they'll probably play that player on the ball. So Collier is going to need to expand his game and contribute as an off-ball player as well.
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Don’t see it that way, Collier has elite playmaker written all over him. And he doesn’t dominate the ball like most top lead guards. The dynamic dude whoever will only be enhanced by playing next to Collier plus his 3ball will improve.
 
It would obviously be awesome if Collier started converting his threes at a higher percentage, but I'm just as interested in him adding an effective Nash dribble. He could really keep a blender spinning all on his own with that.
 
Thejazzkickazz said:
In my best 18th century voice, in order that the great Mr. Hume might more readily comprehend:

Thou hast proffered unto us a considerable challenge. A modicum of skepticism may indeed arise when one endeavoreth to discern the future with but scant data. Nevertheless, I shall strive to assume the mantle of Jazz expertise and venture forth with a bold conjecture. Young Collier shall prove to be the preeminent choice amongst this illustrious assembly.
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Once Isaiah Jaden Collier comprehends how to propel the sphere into the goal from far away, he shall be replete with point guard acumen. Lo! Forward!
 
framer said:
Hypothetical question. Is there anyone here that would trade Collier right now for Anthony Black?
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Nope.
But I was always an Anthony Black hater so no surprise there.
Black has slightly better stats right now, and has better size. Collier is a little cheaper and a little younger.
Current stats are a little misleading because Black is in his second year and Collier has been really trending upwards of late.

Will be interesting to compare the two in a couple years.
 
Collier is now at 8.7 assists per 36, which would be 7th in the league ahead of LeBron and he's got his 2pt FG% up to 50%

(He's a rookie so we won't talk about turnovers and 3pt% which would both be bottom of the league if he qualified, but his trajectory and growth is looking great)
 
It's hard to argue against the necessity of having a competent team for young player growth. Hard to see Collier getting this level of confidence if every game he was playing in was a 10+ point blowout loss.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
Collier is now at 8.7 assists per 36, which would be 7th in the league ahead of LeBron and he's got his 2pt FG% up to 50%

(He's a rookie so we won't talk about turnovers and 3pt% which would both be bottom of the league if he qualified, but his trajectory and growth is looking great)
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For accuracy sake, Lebron James is averaging 9.4 assists per game per 36. He isn't human though so shouldn't count anyway.
Lebron is also averaging 9.0 assists per game in his 34.7 minutes per game that he averages.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
Collier is now at 8.7 assists per 36, which would be 7th in the league ahead of LeBron and he's got his 2pt FG% up to 50%

(He's a rookie so we won't talk about turnovers and 3pt% which would both be bottom of the league if he qualified, but his trajectory and growth is looking great)
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Bigger issue for Collier right now is that he doesnt draw shooting fouls on his drives. Seems like defenders have a really easy time knowing where he is putting the ball and he's getting stripped a lot. Him being an efficient scorer on drives (which largely means getting to the FT line) would be my top priority for him.
 
fishonjazz said:
For accuracy sake, Lebron James is averaging 9.4 assists per game per 36. He isn't human though so shouldn't count anyway.
Lebron is also averaging 9.0 assists per game in his 34.7 minutes per game that he averages.
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Oh good catch, I accidentally looked at the 23-24 stats.
 
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