Collier’s Future

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Earlier this year (probably December) I said that Collier was a playmaker and I had a half dozen comments saying how wrong I was and how terrible he is at basketball. And then not two weeks later he figured things out. And now peeps be like... he is a playermaker.

Yeah... that was fun.

 

[1-Jazzfan]

Ricky Rubio & Pistol Pete?

 

[JazzMan4Life]

When I first saw him I thought -Collier is the closest thing to a true PG since Stockton, but with a modern twist.
I know many here see his peak as a backup PG, but I still think we may have an all-star in the making.

 

[Thejazzkickazz]

Right now, All-Time Jazz Point Guard List probably looks something like this:
1. John Stockton
2. Deron Williams
3. Mike Conley
4. Ricky Green

Will Collier make it to 5 or higher?

In my best 18th century voice, in order that the great Mr. Hume might more readily comprehend:

Thou hast proffered unto us a considerable challenge. A modicum of skepticism may indeed arise when one endeavoreth to discern the future with but scant data. Nevertheless, I shall strive to assume the mantle of Jazz expertise and venture forth with a bold conjecture. Young Collier shall prove to be the preeminent choice amongst this illustrious assembly.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Right now, the issue with Collier is that when the Jazz bring in a dynamic wing or dynamic bigger guard, they'll probably play that player on the ball. So Collier is going to need to expand his game and contribute as an off-ball player as well.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Rhetorical question. Is there anyone here that would trade Collier right now for Anthony Black?

Fixed

 

[stitches]

I first read it as “He could make 3s easily” and got really excited.

But then i came right back down to earth.

If he starts making 3s easily he will easily make the top 3.

 

[David Hume]

Ricky Rubio & Pistol Pete?

We lament that when Sir Peter Press Maravich arrived in SLC, injuries were so unfortunate that thy Utah Jazz actually waived him after but a few contests. Yes, he was splendid in New Orleans. Sir Ricard Rubio Vives appears perhaps 5th on the list.

Ricky Rubio & Pistol Pete?

 

[Step-Back Lauri]

The form isn't broken, but there is some small form issue that leads to wildly inconsistent misses from deep. I can't recall a player whose misses are as all over the rim as Colliers. I think he can definitely work it though

Agreed. I've fixed a lot of things in my past just putting in a lot of repetitions in it. I remember one summer I needed to make my turn around jumper get better. It took hours and hours every week but in the end of summer it had become very much better. And these guys have much better help and more talent.

 

[slc]

His recent performance might explain why Jazz made him a first round pick over Filipowski
They now have him locked up for a few years

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Earlier this year (probably December) I said that Collier was a playmaker and I had a half dozen comments saying how wrong I was and how terrible he is at basketball. And then not two weeks later he figured things out. And now peeps be like... he is a playermaker.

Yeah... that was fun.

I was basically saying the same

Ricky Rubio & Pistol Pete?

Pistol mostly played sg

Right now, the issue with Collier is that when the Jazz bring in a dynamic wing or dynamic bigger guard, they'll probably play that player on the ball. So Collier is going to need to expand his game and contribute as an off-ball player as well.

Don’t see it that way, Collier has elite playmaker written all over him. And he doesn’t dominate the ball like most top lead guards. The dynamic dude whoever will only be enhanced by playing next to Collier plus his 3ball will improve.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

It would obviously be awesome if Collier started converting his threes at a higher percentage, but I'm just as interested in him adding an effective Nash dribble. He could really keep a blender spinning all on his own with that.

 

[David Hume]

In my best 18th century voice, in order that the great Mr. Hume might more readily comprehend:

Thou hast proffered unto us a considerable challenge. A modicum of skepticism may indeed arise when one endeavoreth to discern the future with but scant data. Nevertheless, I shall strive to assume the mantle of Jazz expertise and venture forth with a bold conjecture. Young Collier shall prove to be the preeminent choice amongst this illustrious assembly.

Once Isaiah Jaden Collier comprehends how to propel the sphere into the goal from far away, he shall be replete with point guard acumen. Lo! Forward!

 

[fishonjazz]

Hypothetical question. Is there anyone here that would trade Collier right now for Anthony Black?

Nope.
But I was always an Anthony Black hater so no surprise there.
Black has slightly better stats right now, and has better size. Collier is a little cheaper and a little younger.
Current stats are a little misleading because Black is in his second year and Collier has been really trending upwards of late.

Will be interesting to compare the two in a couple years.

 

[Jaanipoeg]

Collier is now at 8.7 assists per 36, which would be 7th in the league ahead of LeBron and he's got his 2pt FG% up to 50%

(He's a rookie so we won't talk about turnovers and 3pt% which would both be bottom of the league if he qualified, but his trajectory and growth is looking great)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's hard to argue against the necessity of having a competent team for young player growth. Hard to see Collier getting this level of confidence if every game he was playing in was a 10+ point blowout loss.

 

[fishonjazz]

Collier is now at 8.7 assists per 36, which would be 7th in the league ahead of LeBron and he's got his 2pt FG% up to 50%

(He's a rookie so we won't talk about turnovers and 3pt% which would both be bottom of the league if he qualified, but his trajectory and growth is looking great)

For accuracy sake, Lebron James is averaging 9.4 assists per game per 36. He isn't human though so shouldn't count anyway.
Lebron is also averaging 9.0 assists per game in his 34.7 minutes per game that he averages.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Collier is now at 8.7 assists per 36, which would be 7th in the league ahead of LeBron and he's got his 2pt FG% up to 50%

(He's a rookie so we won't talk about turnovers and 3pt% which would both be bottom of the league if he qualified, but his trajectory and growth is looking great)

Bigger issue for Collier right now is that he doesnt draw shooting fouls on his drives. Seems like defenders have a really easy time knowing where he is putting the ball and he's getting stripped a lot. Him being an efficient scorer on drives (which largely means getting to the FT line) would be my top priority for him.

 

[Jaanipoeg]

For accuracy sake, Lebron James is averaging 9.4 assists per game per 36. He isn't human though so shouldn't count anyway.
Lebron is also averaging 9.0 assists per game in his 34.7 minutes per game that he averages.

Oh good catch, I accidentally looked at the 23-24 stats.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

It's hard to argue against the necessity of having a competent team for young player growth. Hard to see Collier getting this level of confidence if every game he was playing in was a 10+ point blowout loss.

That's a good point.