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Obviously that's subjective. I guess the better question is, assuming we keep our current roster mainly intact, what do you see as this team's ceiling? Because if it's not that of a championship caliber team, does it really matter when we plateau?

Not sure if you're joking. By plateau, I meant reaching a level of success while lacking the necessary assets/financial resources/potential for internal development to significantly improve the roster in order to take that next step in competing.

Sure, without any significant additions/internal development. But with Hayward, theoretically at least, we were only a star away from legitimately competing. Losing him has widened that gap considerably & lowered that "plateau" significantly as well IMO

Edit: I just see us eventually plateauing...

Good post. I'd prefer to re-build as well but agree it's highly unlikely...especially when we already have a fairly competitive roster as is. I just don't see us eventually plateauing around a 2nd rd exit. Personally, I hope we trade Rubio, Hood (due to upcoming RFA), Ingles (sucks but it's...

Adam Kaufman ✔ AdamMKaufman Terry Rozier may be on the move, which is expected as a cap-clearing maneuver for #Celtics. (H/t @patmyers823) 4:18 PM - 6 Jul 2017 132 132 Retweets Don't know if this any implications for us but Rozier would be great tho BOS values him so I would be surprised...

Agree he is a great fit. Also agree that you give up a 1st for him (as long as it's lottery protected)...if you are commited to attempting to compete now. Do you think that's the philosophy we should be taking? Curious what the consensus is around here...

Smart is a special defensive talent &, while he certainly has his flaws, we need any/every asset we can get at this point...even if only to flip for additional assets. We can't afford to pass on talent due to fit. The goal should be to acquire as much as possible & sort the roster out when the...

If we're going to trade a 1st (protected or not) for Crowder, we would essentially be commiting to attempting to remain competitive in the short-term. (Assuming we retain our core)... Rubio Hood Ingles Crowder Gobert (+Exum/Mitchell/JJ/Favors/T.Bradley) That's a solid roster &...

Smart is an elite perimeter defender. He's likely not as good of a fit as Crowder or Bradley due to Mitchell's potential to develop in a similar caliber defender & our current lack of floor spacing as is, but Smart would still be a great consulation prize (depending on cost). I would be ecstatic...

I'd be very hesitant to trade a 1st unless it is heavily protected. From my understanding, this is something Hayward is pushing for...although I could be mistaken. Also, (again I'm not positive) from what I heard, there are minor financial advantages for BOS (not sure exactly how) to including...

Don't know if this has been posted already (or how credible it is)... "The Celtics and Jazz appear to be getting closer to a sign-and-trade agreement that would involve Crowder, says Mark Murphy of The Boston Herald. According to Murphy, any deal is expected to be more than just Hayward for...

I agree with not giving up Exum, Hood, or Mitchell & not sure I would even give up any picks regardless of protection (unless we intend on making additional moves to remain competitive-which would be a mistake IMO). If that's the approach we choose, Favors for Crowder is intriguing (assuming...

I agree. I don't know about the league-wide consensus, but Crowder is definitely underrated by the Celtic fanbase

What would you be willing, if anything, to give up for him? Personally, I don't see him moving the needle enough (unless we're content with being a 2nd tier team) to justify giving up any of our limited assets for.

BOS needs to clear salary to sign Hayward but really has no incentive (as far as I can tell) to include Crowder in a S&T as he certainly has value to other teams. Only way it happens is if it's to appease Hayward. Otherwise, I'm not sure it makes sense to use assets on him as it likely only...

I'd be surprised if anything comes of this but Crowder would be a great consolation as well as a good fit (considering position, age, attitude, contract, etc). I would prefer Smart/Bradley but both are due for extensions shortly & would likely be somewhat redundant on this roster, assuming...

My previous post was in response to this.

You're right...Guess I should've traced it back a step further, figured that was implied. Thanks for clarifying.

I agree in theory but the reality is that, as great as Gobert is, there are disadvantages to re-building around him (considering our current talent level). I would only contemplate doing so if the offer justified it, but his contract would essentially limit our window to the length of his...