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This is the current record of the Jazz. Incidentally, this is the record of the last year's team at the same time. I really did not expect it.

How could it have happened? Arguably, the Jazz have a much better coach this year. Favors, Gobert and Hayward improved by a lot. The injury impact is the same: Burks this season, Burke last year.The only possible downgrade is the replacement of Jefferson and Marvin with Ingles and Booker and I thought it was a wash. Did I not appreciate enough the impact of the Wet Bandit? Was it the veteran leadership of Biedrins? Brandon Rush? Why are we not better than the last year?


P.S. After going 13-26 the last year's Jazz went 3-3. So there is an ample opportunity in the next several days for our team to officially become worse than the last year's squad. Mind-boggling.
 
doubledribble said:
This is the current record of the Jazz. Incidentally, this is the record of the last year's team at the same time. I really did not expect it.

How could it have happened? Arguably, the Jazz have a much better coach this year. Favors, Gobert and Hayward improved by a lot. The injury impact is the same: Burks this season, Burke last year.The only possible downgrade is the replacement of Jefferson and Marvin with Ingles and Booker and I thought it was a wash. Did I not appreciate enough the impact of the Wet Bandit? Was it the veteran leadership of Biedrins? Brandon Rush? Why are we not better than the last year?


P.S. After going 13-26 the last year's Jazz went 3-3. So there is an ample opportunity in the next several days for our team to officially become worse than the last year's squad. Mind-boggling.
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I think that the players are better but teams have more of an idea how to guard this team. I mean, last year was Kanter and Favors first time getting solid minutes, now there is a better scouting report on them and teams know how to prepare against them better.

We also have a stockpile of young/D-league players that we have to rely on more-so this year than last.
 
Two reasons I think. Hood, Ingles, Exum aren't as good as Marvin and R.Jefferson yet. Second Burks never fit into Quin's system, Burks was very good last year.
 
Hard to argue with that. As willing as I was, and still am, for us to be horrible this year while growing and checking out talent, I am surprised we are this bad also. But, I really really will be expecting an uptick of the progress this second half coming up.
 
It's a new coach, a new system, a lot of young players still. Chemistry still being worked on.

Just goes to show that even with all this going on, we don't miss those vets. That's what you should take from this.
 
If I had a nickel for every time comparing two records determined how good a team was I would have a few nickels.
 
Kyoto said:
We also have a stockpile of young/D-league players that we have to rely on more-so this year than last.
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That's true, but last year we had a lot of folks who were not the NBA-level players as well. Garrett, Tinsley, Mike Harris, JLIII: all of them are out of the NBA this season. And they played a lot of minutes combined in 2013-14.
 
doubledribble said:
That's true, but last year we had a lot of folks who were not the NBA-level players as well. Garrett, Tinsley, Mike Harris, JLIII: all of them are out of the NBA this season. And they played a lot of minutes combined in 2013-14.
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Have you ever looked at the toughness of the schedule this season? Or maybe the point differential through all of the games? Last season and this season are not the same thing.
 
doubledribble,

welcome to the forum. in your honor.

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It's actually fun and enjoyable to watch them this year. So there's that.
Also, at least this year there feels like there is a plan and some direction. Some hope.
Oh and another thing...I haven't heard Quin say "it's just one game" not even once this year....that alone makes this season more successful.
 
How many games have the Jazz fallen behind due to the bench only to storm back and lose a close game. . . then they have games where the win on a buzzer-beater. This team is built to play close, but not quite, winning basketball. Just wait until they actually decide to load the bench with more than scrubs and stick Gobert in the starting lineup full time. They've been better and more entertaining, even if the record doesn't reflect that. Last year, they were getting blown out of the water. This year, they're playing things much closer, despite having to rely on Jingles and Baby Sap. As much as I truly like both guys, neither should be cracking an NBA rotation like they have been.
 
Doublea said:
Have you ever looked at the toughness of the schedule this season? Or maybe the point differential through all of the games? Last season and this season are not the same thing.
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These are important factors in evaluating teams in the beginning of the season. After 40 games the strength of the better team usually manifests itself in the W-L column.
 
Aren't we like 7-6 in our last 13 games, beating some really high quality teams? At this point in the season, the Jazz are better than they ever were last year. At the beginning of the season, it was clear they were going through some tough growing pains and Snyder was still acting like it was preseason with very strange lineups and substitution patterns that cost us games.

Also, Gobert hadn't really exploded yet, Burke was a nightmare and getting the most minutes/shots, and Burks (failed) hero ball often hurt the team. Kanter started the season playing extremely poorly as well, and didn't have his good stretch until a couple of weeks before his injury.
 
doubledribble said:
This is the current record of the Jazz. Incidentally, this is the record of the last year's team at the same time. I really did not expect it.

How could it have happened? Arguably, the Jazz have a much better coach this year. Favors, Gobert and Hayward improved by a lot. The injury impact is the same: Burks this season, Burke last year.The only possible downgrade is the replacement of Jefferson and Marvin with Ingles and Booker and I thought it was a wash. Did I not appreciate enough the impact of the Wet Bandit? Was it the veteran leadership of Biedrins? Brandon Rush? Why are we not better than the last year?


P.S. After going 13-26 the last year's Jazz went 3-3. So there is an ample opportunity in the next several days for our team to officially become worse than the last year's squad. Mind-boggling.
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I think the west is even better this year than last.
Also I think there are less tankers this year. (In other words, the schedule is tougher)

Also we are learning a new system with a new coach.

Also you forgot about hoods injury.... which makes Burks injury hurt even more.

Also this year we have had multiple d-leaguers on little contracts (I don't think that was the case last year)
 
Hack said:
Just goes to show that even with all this going on, we don't miss those vets. That's what you should take from this.
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Good point
 
doubledribble said:
That's true, but last year we had a lot of folks who were not the NBA-level players as well. Garrett, Tinsley, Mike Harris, JLIII: all of them are out of the NBA this season. And they played a lot of minutes combined in 2013-14.
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Good retort
Doublea said:
Have you ever looked at the toughness of the schedule this season? Or maybe the point differential through all of the games? Last season and this season are not the same thing.
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I like the point differential comment. Is there a way to verify if the point differential is better this year than last?
 
fishonjazz said:
Good retort

I like the point differential comment. Is there a way to verify if the point differential is better this year than last?
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If you go by Hollinger, last year our defense was a bottom scraping 109.1 Good for 30th place. This year we are at 107.0 which puts us at 27th place. A 107.0 rating last year would have put us at 25th place. So the Defense has improved steadily. Another 2.1 point improvement would move us to 22nd place defensively (19th last year). I can see us getting there by the end of the year. That is a HUGE improvement for a REALLY young team with a rookie coach.

Offensively, the Jazz rank at 103.6 which ranks us at 14, just a shade above average. Last year we were at 100.6 good for 25th place. A 103.6 would have put us at 15th last year. So our offense is VASTLY improved. Improving another 3 points would place us as the #5 ranked offense. Again, REALLY young team and a rookie coach.

Now to make these types of gains on BOTH offense and defense by shedding vets and adding rookies and d-leaguers is fricken' amazing! As anyone can se the offense and defense are improving week to week, and spending the extra time in practice establishing the basics is probably costing us some close games due to fatigue. Losing Burks has been a huge blow as well. SO yeah, even though the record is the same, the advanced stats say we are a lot better than last year as does the eye test. Once we establish the core and start bringing in the vet roleplayers to replace the d-leaguers, recover our injuries, and the rookies actually improve we will be ready to roll.
 
doubledribble said:
That's true, but last year we had a lot of folks who were not the NBA-level players as well. Garrett, Tinsley, Mike Harris, JLIII: all of them are out of the NBA this season. And they played a lot of minutes combined in 2013-14.
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Tinsley only played 8 games and Harris 20. JLIII barely saw court time after Trey was healthy enough to play. I'd argue Garrett was every bit as good as Dante has been (yes, that's a backhanded compliment). IMO, PG performance has been about equal. Bigs slightly better this season, but only because of the recent break out performances by Gobert and Favors. Wings have been much worse - and will remain that way. RJ had a fantastic season offensively. Burks was good, Hayward disappointing. This season Hayward has been much better; Burks a little off (probably due to his injury). But where is the RJ equivalent? Ingles and Hood haven't been able to pick up that slack. And now, of course, Utah is without Burks.

I think Utah is showing signs of becoming a better team. But Quin's system relies on taking 3's instead of long 2's. And the Jazz as a team are not very good from deep.
 
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