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BluesRocker said:
Also Larry, if you wanted to be fun and cool like me, then all you had to do is ask. I could teach you. You dont need to attack me if you want to be my friend. I dont know if you were raised by a pack of wolves or whatever, but that isnt how you do it in a civilized world.
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I actually legit laughed at this. Blues is actually pretty funny. Maybe its the voice I use in my head to read his posts.....
 
Who else feels like they are on a gothic jewelry enthusiasts message board when they see that spinning yin yang avatar?
 
BluesRocker said:
Funny, I could have swore it was stuff like this that makes you not like me.

Why dont you like me Gameface?
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He is not a fan of shirtless hugs. Maybe if you shaved your chest and weren't so sweaty when you tried to hug him.
 
theNBAnerd said:
teams don't give up top 5 picks unless they're getting a pretty sick combination of proven all-star talent and young prospects. so those who think al+burks+pick is too steep a price to pay, go review the history of trades involving top 5 picks. i think charlotte would hang up the phone if that was our best offer.
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I'm going out on the limb and guessing this has more to do with top 5 lottery teams generally in rebuild mode and little to do with the actual value of a top 5 pick. It makes little sense to trade young potential for equal veteran value if all it's going to do is earn you an 8 spot and bust, unless you're the "winning culture" Utah Jazz of course.
 
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margodydek said:
The only trade that comes to mind was when Boston traded the #5 pick for Ray Allen.
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yeah but even that was a different situation. seattle was in full rebuilding mode and they knew ray allen was on the downhill side of his career, so they did everything they could to get expiring contracts and draft picks. in order to get #5 that year (jeff green), they gave up aging superstar ray allen, the rights to glen davis, and took the bad contracts of wally sczerbiak and delonte west.

that's what it takes to move into the top 5 -- a complete rebuilding trade where you give up star-power, youth AND financial flexibility. not sure that's where the jazz are at right now.

in retrospect it worked for sea/okc because green panned out in the long term and ultimately netted them perk, and because in the short term they sucked badly enough that first year that they also added westbrook. but they had to backtrack to 15-20 wins.
 
franklin said:
I'm going out on the limb and guessing this has more to do with top 5 lottery teams generally in rebuild mode and little to do with the actual value of a top 5 pick. It makes little sense to trade young potential for equal veteran value if all it's going to do is earn you an 8 spot and bust, unless you're the "winning culture" Utah Jazz of course.
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well whatever it has to do with, it's a trend that's pretty well established in history. in the last five years, NO team has managed to secure a top-3 pick without "moving up" using their own first-rounder. only twice has it happened with top five picks (both times it was #5), and only one additional time if we widen that to top 10 picks.

that means 94% of the time, a team in the top 10 will not trade its pick for anything other than a package centered around a pick in the same draft. and that's true 100% of the time for top 3 picks.

here are all trades in the past five drafts where a team got a pick without "moving up", and what it cost them to do so -- https://www.jazzbros.com/2012/06/the-cost-of-a-first-rounder/
 
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