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2010 Draft Redux

If you could go back in time, who would you draft at #9?

  • Gordon Hayward

    Votes: 34 57.6%
  • Pauk George

    Votes: 22 37.3%
  • Cole Aldrich

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Xavier Henry

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ed Davis

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Patrick Patterson

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Larry Sanders

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Luke Babbitt

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eric Bledsoe

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    59
Subjectively, George is a better finisher at the hoop. Hayward is better and passing the ball after getting into the paint. George his superior length and athletic ability-hayward has good length and athletic ability. George has the higher talent ceiling. Hayward has better intangibles.

If I had a pass first point guard; then I would prefer to have George on my team. If I have scoring point; then I want Hayward.

Statistically George had a better year last year and is having a better year this year.

George PERs 13.01 and 15.1

Hayward PERs 10.7 and 12.9

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01.html


In the end I like defense more than offense so I would have picked George.
 
To me the George love on Jazzfanz is shocking. I don't see how he is as good as some are saying. If Was was to ever to offer Wall for George straight up, ind wouldn't even hesitate to pull the trigger on that trade. More productive then Wall really!

And you know this how? I suggest you watch both of them play instead of going off of 2 year old scouting reports. Tell me if you see anything special about Wall outside of his fast break ability and pesky defense.
 
No, I'm basing this off of last year, too. Hayward was probably the worst player in the entire NBA until February and then closed the season with a slew of incredible performances. Pair that with what we've seen this year and yeah, George is more consistent.

And just in case anyone isn't clear, I really like Hayward and yes, he is a better playmaker. I just see him as a top-shelf complimentary player at best, not an out-and-out star. George at best is a perennial all-star.

As far as George vs. Wall is concerned, Wall has been total garbage this season and wasn't that good last season either. I reject the notion that players MUST chuck because their teammates aren't good. Teams that lack talent only have a chance as a team, and Wall doesn't understand that (having Nick Young on your team doesn't help either, except that the Wizards are at their best when even he's on the floor).

Also, this is all early. This discussion carries a lot more weight after season 3.

I agree with you that George will probably be the better player, but I think he is at best a 1-2 year All-Star, at best.
 
I don't know who Pauk George is but a lot of people here think he is great.

Now, this Paul George guy they keep talking about looks pretty good. Not convinced he is 1,000,000,000,000,000 times better than Hayward the way some are spouting.
Pauk sits one letter away on the keyboard from Paul. Yes, my typing sucls!
And no, I don't know how to correct typos in the thread titles or polls after they habe beem posyed.
 
Wish we could have traded up to get Monroe. I know Kanter has potential and all, but Monroe would be a perfect compliment to Favors.
 
I would rather have Hayward and Kanter then just Monroe. Not knowing what I know now I'd have rather had Monroe.

Well, if we had drafted Monroe (and still done the trade for Favors, Harris, and picks) we could have still drafted Kanter. Would have made Al or Sap much more expendable, or we could have drafted Brandon Knight.
 
At the time I didn't think we had a chance to get Monroe and I thought Hayward was OK, but we could do better. I was hoping for Davis or Patterson. Honestly, I think any of them could have done fine in our system. George has been a surprise to me though. I'd probably take him if I could go back. Never cared much for Babbitt or Aldrich.
 
Monroe is pretty smooth. It'll be interesting to see Kanter and Monroe match up when they play. The knock on Monroe was that he was a bit passive and didn't have 100% motor.

Hayward is a good pick from this draft due to his ability to handle and drive the ball. At the time of the draft, I wanted Paul George more than Hayward. Now, I guess it's a toss up.
 
Through his first nine games, Paul George has hit 20 three-pointers. In 61 contests as a rookie in 10-11, George converted a total of just 41. He only hit 41 for good reason -- he shot 29.7% from downtown.

This season has been entirely different. George is shooting 57.1% from beyond the arc, something he attributes to a busy offseason in the gym.

“It was a lot of repetition, but I think just getting familiar with the distance is what really helped,” he told RealGM. “Plus, I got a little stronger, which helped too.”

Through Monday’s action, only Boston’s Ray Allen (63.4%) and San Antonio’s Richard Jefferson (58%) are hitting threes at a higher rate this season.

George has taken almost half of his shots from behind the three-point line -- 45.5% of his 77 field goals. In 10-11, 34.9% of his attempts came from the distance.

Despite a high rate of three-point attempts, he insists he’s only taking the shots that defenses are giving him.

“I shot all over the court. I didn’t just focus on the three-point line. I did a lot of midrange work as well,” George said of his offseason workouts. “Those are just the shots that I’m getting right now.”

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If you pick anyone above George at 9, you're probably sucking down some homer sauce for the wrong person something fierce. He might be the best player in that entire draft.

Reality is hard. George is more productive than anyone other than Cousins (piece of garbage on a bad team) and Monroe (good player on a bad team) with the time that he's been given. I'm also not sure if I've seen another player lower on substance and higher on hype and style than Wall, he's been nothing but hot garbage (on the worst team in the NBA). Hayward and George are comparable players, but Hayward has pedestrian athleticism and length while George is bigger, longer, faster, and more consistent. Do you get your goggles at Fanzzzzzzzzzzzz?

I would go with George right now. I do believe that Hayward will turn out to be the better player for the Jazz, but not necessarily the better player. Hayward has the skills that the Jazz need going forward. I have hope that he will turn into the player that has "heart" and "toughness" when the Jazz need it. I don't see Hayward as being a star, but I do like him.

I am not so sure that George will keep up his amazing shooting. Eventually his athleticism will decline and I hope that he will have improved in other areas. If he doesn't then at that point everyone will be on the Hayward>George bandwagon.

Heres the way i see it, NUMBERICA:

If you there was a trade, and Paul George was sent to the Wizards in exchange for Wall being sent to the Pacers, how well would each player play??

I would think that the Wizards would get even worse, and George's stats would seriously lower. On the other hand, John Wall's assist numbers would go up, his shooting would go up, and he'd likely become quite a good point guard. Its always important to look at context; the Pacers are a very solid team this year. The same cannot be said about Wall's, Cousins's, or Monroe's teams. Im sure George would be produce very similarly to the three aforementioned players if he was on their respective teams.


As far as the Hayward vs George comparisons, it is much too early to say. Remember, Chris Paul grew much quicker than DWill did. However, 4 years after the draft, I would have considered Dwill as the better player. Same consideration should be taken with George and Hayward. We don't know how both of the players will pan out with even having them play 10 games into their scond season. It is much too early to judge.


PS: Labelling a player as consistent based off of a <10 game sample from the start of their second season is a bit ridiculous. He sure as hell wasn't consistent last year either, unless 29.7% from 3point range is what you like from a shooting guard.




Well gentlemen, the 2nd season has come to a close. Lets compare stats now:


1) Gordon Hayward: 30.4 MPG, 11.8 PPG, 45.6 FG%, 34.6 3P%, 83.2 FT%, 3.1 APG, 3.5 RPG, 0.6 BPG, 0.8 SPG.
2) Paul George: 29.7 MPG, 12.1 PPG, 44.0 FG%, 38.5 3P%, 80.2 FT%, 2.4 APG, 5.6 RPG, 0.6 BPG, 1.6 SPG.

Each half of their seasons was quite mirrored. Pre-AllStar break, George was shooting 4.01% from 3. He fell down to 36.1% rom three, after the AllStar break. Conversely, Gordon Hayward was averaging an abysmal 24.6% from three before the AllStar Beak, but brought it up to 42.2% from 3.

I am impressed with how good Hayward's stats ended up being in his second season- especially seeing how poorly he started. He shot at a better percentage from the field (though not by much), assisted better, shot free throws more accurately (also shot an average of 3 free throws a game, in comparison to 2.2 from Paul George) and blocked/scored similarly. George seems to have obvious edges in Rebounding and Steals, although scoring and blocking seems to be a wash at this point in their careers. At this point, I see Hayward as a better penetrator, foul-drawer, and assister, whereas Paul seems to be the better rebounder, and steals-garnerer. I won't put much stock in shooting percentages, seeing as their career numbers are more or less indifferentiable.


So there you have it folks!! After two seasons, and it is still hard to decide who the better player between them, is. I personally choose Hayward, as I have all season long.
 
I say Hayward. I wanted Paul George back then, but not now. They both will be good. But we might just have the great white hope here. Think of all the white dudes we picked but didnt work out. We had better pick the one that does work out.
 
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