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KrazeeEyezKilla said:
I take this back. It may be reaching but I'd strongly consider going with Terrence Jones to play the 3. He's long, led the SEC in rebounding (I think) with 8.8 per game, had almost two blocks a game, over a steal a game, and 1.6 assists per game (not bad) and can play strong defense. He also shot a higher percentage from the floor than Knight. I know it's apples to oranges and Jones largely played the 4 at UK but still...he also shot over 32% from three which isn't terrible for a frosh who supposedly can't shoot. When it mattered most, in the NCAA tourney, he shot 55% from three going 5 of 9.

In short, he has the length and athleticism to play in today's NBA and we need that. He also plays defense, rebounds, blocks shots, and can pass so he's bot some one-dimensional player. Can he shoot? Not great. But he's shown he can decently enough for a college freshman and I see no reason a kid can't improve if he works hard. Look at Gordon this year compared to his college career.

I think they'd compliment one another very well on the wings.
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I like Jones at 12.
 
BENTLEY said:
Ok, I watched Knight in the tourney and while he made some clutch shots and I think he'll be pretty good I just didn't see anything amazing. Does someone want to enlighten me?

I could be totally wrong and Knight might become the next Michael Jordan but I really doubt it. Even if he just becomes a pretty good PG like say, Jameer Nelson, I think I'd rather take a chance on a guy at a different position. I mean, like OGat said - the Jazz already have Harris. And to those that want Knight because he's a combo guard and can play the 2 - do we really want a 6'3" SG taking minutes from 6'8" Hayward? ...I mean size is pretty awesome.

I do think that the Jazz get more value in drafting size rather than drafting a PG that looks like he MIGHT be better than Harris. It could turn out horribly, sure. Kanter could be the second coming of Borschardt. But he could also be a more physical Dirk Nowitzki. That quite a range I know but we're gambling here and I'd rather take that gamble (or a less risky one in Bismack) than draft a pretty good, yet superfluous, PG.

AND I do adhere to the POV that you don't need a top tier PG to win a title, so I'm not inclined to waste a high draft pick on one unless it's a slam dunk. (when the Jazz win the 1st pick we'll start debating the Kyrie conundrum).

ALSO, the Jazz have draft picks in 2012 and it seems like there are always decent PGs if we wanna use a pick on one then. Again, Harris is the starter next year.

AND ONE MORE THING - the Jazz are going to draft Fredette this year. There's no getting around that (unless of course the Jazz win the lottery etc). So this next year the Jazz can evaluate him and see if he will become the next Nash or House. And that information will help them determine who to draft in 2012. Drafting Knight this year just doesn't seem a wise move to me.
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I like Knight. He seems to be very confident, good all around game, plays good defense, and has speed. He is taller than Walker, not as explosive, but seems to be very crafty. Can take a hit, and still finish. Seems like the type of guy you would want to go to battle with, and someont that will raise his game in big situations. He wants to be in those moments.

Knight isn't a sure thing, but I think he's a good prospect. If Biyombo, Irving, Dwill2, and Kanter are off the board I hope we take Knight. He's on the list
of players I'd be excited about acquiring. Watch some of his You Tube videos. Notice the swagger. Get on the train!
 
If we are looking at Jones at 12 though, isnt it fair to consider Leonard too? They are similar players, but I think Leonard is a better defender. Jones is only favored over Leonard because he is a freshman and still has the high freshman "potential".
 
I'm leaning towards Biyombo at 6 and Hamilton at 12. The picks provide an energy, REBOUNDING, defensive player and a scoring SF that is already familiar with the flex. Sounds like the best chance we have at quick contention with a very young team ala OKC. If these two turn out like they should, we'll be competitive within 2 years.
 
Watching Knight and T. Jones, they both have potential and they great athletic ability. T. Jones was more of a scorer earlier in the season and he looked more dominant as a lead scorer. He became more of a passer as the season progressed. I think he could be a good SF, but he definitely is going to have to work on his shooting. He has a left handed wind up jump shot with a slow release. I think Knight has more potential and more risk. He can be dynamic and he can also disappear in long streches in games.
 
Jazz have two lottery picks and a terrible delusion that they are a good team with some small problems they can fix from within. I'm guessing they're the first team to take one of the Euro bigs.
 
mellow said:
Jazz have two lottery picks and a terrible delusion that they are a good team with some small problems they can fix from within. I'm guessing they're the first team to take one of the Euro bigs.
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So they have their choice between Bismack and Kanter? That would be awesome.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
If we are looking at Jones at 12 though, isnt it fair to consider Leonard too? They are similar players, but I think Leonard is a better defender. Jones is only favored over Leonard because he is a freshman and still has the high freshman "potential".
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Jones is taller and a more natural scorer/ball-handler. Leonard is a better athlete and a better perimeter defender. Leonard is also something of a rebounding prodigy.

Hmm- they are very, very close in my book.
 
I'm trying to take in all the positives of the potential rookies since I don't want a repeat of last year where I was unhappy with the Hayward pick (although at the same time I was willing to give him a chance instead of just writing him off completely) as I wasn't really sure of his skills until after the pick was made.
 
I would be happy if the Jazz drafted for Defense, Rebounding and Toughness with Bismack @ 6 & Leonard @ 12, rebounding almost always translates and usually don't lose defense, toughness and intensity as a rookie and then next year look for scoring.
 
//r00t 4 Jazz said:
I would be happy if the Jazz drafted for Defense, Rebounding and Toughness with Bismack @ 6 & Leonard @ 12, rebounding almost always translates and usually don't lose defense, toughness and intensity as a rookie and then next year look for scoring.
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I like that idea. If Leonard can develop a 3 point shot he will be a solid player. The team needs for me are 1. Shooting 2. Defense There are plenty of options in the FA market for shooters
 
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Qman said:
A complete game of Vesely

https://youtu.be/FXZy0vxQ0qc
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Thanks for posting. I'm checking it out. Prior to watching this, I'd have said that Vesely has the potential to be the best player out of this draft, a guy who can score outside, inside and mid-range and with the length and hunger to get his shot off. He's mobile enough that you could run him off the curl, and he's long enough that he might just dunk it if you did.
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
Hypothetical situation, Minnesota drafts Irving, Cleveland drafts Williams, Toronto drafts Kanter, Washington drafts Biyombo, and Sacramento drafts Walker.

Who would you want the Jazz to take at #6?
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We thank our lucky stars and pick Brandon Knight, Jan Vesely or Terrence Jones.
 
BOX said:
My big board, not mock draft.
1. Irving
2. Knight
3. Williams
4. Kanter
5. T. Jones
6 biyomobo
7. Vesley
8. Walker
9. Klay thompson ( mocks are showing him in the lottery now as i predicted here first)
10. Hamilton.
11. Burkes
12. Tristan
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I'm not doubting you, but which mocks are showing Klay Thompson in the lottery? I would be interested in looking at them
 
sojodave said:
Watching Knight and T. Jones, they both have potential and they great athletic ability. T. Jones was more of a scorer earlier in the season and he looked more dominant as a lead scorer. He became more of a passer as the season progressed. I think he could be a good SF, but he definitely is going to have to work on his shooting. He has a left handed wind up jump shot with a slow release. I think Knight has more potential and more risk. He can be dynamic and he can also disappear in long streches in games.
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I think the Lamar Odom comparisons for T. Jones are valid. He's like a Lamar Odom (with a somewhat tighter handle), including how he winds up for his jumper and how he shoots it selectively. However, I think Jones is less of a pot head and has a more consistent motor, making him really active and dangerous at both ends.
 
Hantlers said:
I'm not doubting you, but which mocks are showing Klay Thompson in the lottery? I would be interested in looking at them
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I looked up a lot of them and the only mock draft showing Klay Thompson in the lottery is nbadraft.net with Thompson going to the Suns at #13.
 
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