2011 draft.....
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BENTLEY
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This does sound pretty nice. And he's more of a defensive player than Kanter, isn't he? He's skinnier but more focused on d - at least I think I remember reading that. Ugh, too many articles.
Gyp Rosetti
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Again though, have you seen him play?
IN COLLEGE. So what that Millsap's done that IN THE NBA? We're going to fault Williams because he has not yet played in the league? All we have to go off of is his game play and this is what we know. Williams was number one in college at 8.71 free throw attempts per game. Millsap was 44th in the league at 4.4 attempts per game, though he did average 6.0, 8.2, and 6.2 his three years at LT. In that regard, they're both relentless. Millsap has no ability to create from the perimeter though. He has a face-up game, sure but the two are not the same. He can not play on the perimeter as both a true long distance gunner and a threat to penetrate and create off the dribble. That's one of Williams biggest strengths and it often translates to his frequent trips to the line. Williams shot around 65% from both the floor and three almost all year 'til a(n) (apparent) wrist injury slowed him some late in the season. And yet he still came in at around 59%/55%. That's scary efficiency. Regarding your comparisons of him to Jamison and Beasley, again, he has a much, much better ability to create off the dribble than either of those players has at all, despite being his elder by years and years. Beasley can post up and he can shoot but he's not a great, creative one-on-one perimeter player. Jamison was almost a pure 4 in college and shot just 27 threes in his entire career at NC. The majority of his game was in the post or as a Millsap type of player. Williams has not been limited to such. He posted up smaller players of course. But he also demonstrated a very strong, smooth stroke, a great ability to create, and an athleticism greater than anything Evan Turner ever showed. Seriously, I loved Turner but how many dunks did you see from him? This is my same problem with Kanter. The dude's 6'11" and almost never dunks and seems to struggle to get to the rim let alone play above it. In any case, Evan Turner had virtually no athletic plays in college. None. Watch Williams. It's explosive highlight after highlight after highlight. The kid's athletic. Now, as good as his first step supposedly is, I too wonder if he can get by NBA 3's. I think it would be in his best interests to lose some weight (five pounds?) and get quicker while still maintaining his strong frame. This would help him on both ends of the court...okay, I am too freakin' tired to type any more. I'm crashing. Peace.
Obviously I could be wrong too.
Remember he is only 18 and when he comes to the States he would be put on a lifting regime. Also when you look at his numbers compulate them per 40 and they are very impressive for an 18 year playing in a professional league. But most have him going top 5. He could possibly slip because of his contract issues.
billyshelby
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I can't think of one American player I'd want at 6. Knight maybe. I'd rather go the Euro route if only to let them develop overseas and defer their rookie contract until they're more ready to step in.
By contrast, drafting a kid like Jones at 6 is way too high a risk. He's probably 2 years away from playing good minutes, and after year 3 he's a 4 million dollar pickup as an RFA. At 12 I'm much more wide open.
By contrast, drafting a kid like Jones at 6 is way too high a risk. He's probably 2 years away from playing good minutes, and after year 3 he's a 4 million dollar pickup as an RFA. At 12 I'm much more wide open.
BENTLEY
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Yeah, in spite of Jones' decent season averages I just wasn't very impressed with what I saw of him in the tourney. I'd prefer to go with Bismack, Valanciunas, or Kanter at 6. Again, this is an extremely hard draft with a lot of risks - every prospect is risk / reward. I could be totally wrong on T.Jones. I miss Harrison Barnes.
It has yet to be seen if Dwill2 can play SF in the NBA yet. Yes, he was able to blow by his man in College, because he had opposing 4's guarding him. If we do get a top 3 pick, I hope we put him through some kind of drills to see if he has the lateral quickness to play the 3.
My point is simply that Williams lacks a true position because of his size and he's unproven at the NBA level. Millsap has had a similar problem, but having two of the same body presents serious defensive issues and minutes issues and how can you cut the known productive one that's given it his all in favor of a kid that could be better... but could also be worse? It's just a hard situation to know how to make the best decision from. Drafting Irving, for example, is a no-brained for a lot of reasons. That's what I'll hold out hope for until I can't
Joe Bagadonuts
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I disagree with almost everything you said, including the claim that this was going to be a quick question. You honestly believe that if we win the #1 pick we should trade it away for a pick of unknown quality in a future draft, and then even sweeten the deal by giving away a second lottery pick in the process? I'm sure the Cavs would be extatic if you became GM of the Jazz.
green
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Yeah, I agree with you. Throwing in the GS pick probably isn't the best idea. I'd say give 'em CJ, but then they probably demand the second pick.
reignman40
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uhh ya... is anyone else forced to watch Glee with their girlfriend/wife? Didn't know they were doing a basketball skit next.
d@!!0n0rcutt
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How about these two kids from Europe...Davis Bertans and Robin Benzing, great shooters and have the build of a Nicolas Batum, maybe not as athletic but better outside shooters, I think they are better then this Jan Vesley kid, thoughts?
Davis Bertans
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Davis-Bertans-6320/
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/davis-bertans
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/players/_/id/19673/davis-betrans
Robin Benzing
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Robin-Benzing-1377/
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/robin-benzing
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/players/_/id/19525/robin-benzing
Davis Bertans
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Davis-Bertans-6320/
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/davis-bertans
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/players/_/id/19673/davis-betrans
Robin Benzing
https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Robin-Benzing-1377/
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/robin-benzing
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/results/players/_/id/19525/robin-benzing
Gyp Rosetti
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There are aren't other 6'7-6'8" wings?
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Neither are good let alone great defensive players like Batum was in France.
A guy who plays basketball at my college i work for was a teammate of Betans in Latvia. Says he is indeed a light out shooter, but just signed a contract with his team. of course if the kid and agent were smart that had a buyout written into it. If for some reason we get a late first round pick or second round pick sounds like a reasonable pick.
NAOS
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this guy is definitely intriguing. I'd be shocked if he didn't shoot up the draft board simply because of his length.
My initial reaction was to wonder if we could trade CJ for a pick that would nab him.... then I wondered about trading Memo's expiring...
It seems like I go thru this every year: what would it take to pick up a mid- to late-first round pick?
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Yes because we pick in the lottery every year. LOL....
NAOS
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I meant what would it take to acquire said pick, regardless of where our own pick is or isn't. coo?
vslice02
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A few weeks ago, I called DWill2 a poor man's Glenn Robinson. Less of a handle and more of a low-post game, but ultimately I think he'll be an above average scorer and below average defensive player. Really want to see how he measures out with his wingspan and standing reach.
margodydek
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I would trade Bell or pay the $3 mil for a late first rounder and pick up Bertans.