2011 draft.....
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Gyp Rosetti
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Perkins is thick/heavy and struggled for playing time due to conditioning early in his career...that's hardly Bimbo. From a very strong defender/weak offensive player, sure, but that's about it. Ibaka seems like a better comparison, no?
I sure hope your right about Memo's contract being worth a lot!
Gyp Rosetti
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So for me, the top 4, without a doubt at this point, are Irving, Williams, Kanter/Bimbo...after that, all these euros can go suck it. I'd go with Knight, Jones, or someone else who's athletic and has a baller mentality.
Hantlers
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I agree with all of this. Good posting KEK.
The Thriller
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I think one needs to really evaluate some of these euros' toughness and "thug" mentality.
Just look at what Perkins has done to the Thunder.
Just look at how much we're missing toughness at virtually every position. We need some thug on this roster.
Aren't we all tired of the defenseless Jazz? Of people driving the lane like it's a freeway? Without fear of taking a hit? How often have we waltzed into opposing cities to only play lackadaisical and sleep walk through a pounding?
Some of these euros might have nice shooting strokes, but do any of them have mean streaks? How competitive are these guys? How will they react when the chips are down? The NBA is much more of a street fight than a euro 3 point shooting contest.
With the case of the Jazz, I think KOC needs to not only look at upgrading the athleticism and size of this team, but he needs to also rebuild the attitude of this leaderless team. Right now we shouldn't look for complimentary pieces that can rise up to the play of longtime hardasses Karl Malone and John Stockton.
In fact, just the opposite, we need to find some hardasses. Because quite honestly, the soft weak play of Al, Fess, AK, CJ, etc just isn't going to cut it. Raja is tough and mean, but sucks royally. Millsap is tough, but not mean. Favors seems pretty reserved and Hayward still looks like a boy (although the sorta beard is a nice start to becoming a hard a).
Right now, a young Raja Bell, CP3 (dude is carrying the Hornets), Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Kurt Thomas, or Perkins or Rodman would be a lot more valuable to this tissue soft team than a talented scoring softie, like Pau Gasol.
Just look at what Perkins has done to the Thunder.
Just look at how much we're missing toughness at virtually every position. We need some thug on this roster.
Aren't we all tired of the defenseless Jazz? Of people driving the lane like it's a freeway? Without fear of taking a hit? How often have we waltzed into opposing cities to only play lackadaisical and sleep walk through a pounding?
Some of these euros might have nice shooting strokes, but do any of them have mean streaks? How competitive are these guys? How will they react when the chips are down? The NBA is much more of a street fight than a euro 3 point shooting contest.
With the case of the Jazz, I think KOC needs to not only look at upgrading the athleticism and size of this team, but he needs to also rebuild the attitude of this leaderless team. Right now we shouldn't look for complimentary pieces that can rise up to the play of longtime hardasses Karl Malone and John Stockton.
In fact, just the opposite, we need to find some hardasses. Because quite honestly, the soft weak play of Al, Fess, AK, CJ, etc just isn't going to cut it. Raja is tough and mean, but sucks royally. Millsap is tough, but not mean. Favors seems pretty reserved and Hayward still looks like a boy (although the sorta beard is a nice start to becoming a hard a).
Right now, a young Raja Bell, CP3 (dude is carrying the Hornets), Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Kurt Thomas, or Perkins or Rodman would be a lot more valuable to this tissue soft team than a talented scoring softie, like Pau Gasol.
billyshelby
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No matter what minute allocations you want to put on it, we're not going to have a 3 man rotation at the bigs next year. There's going to be a 4th guy.
A 20 minute average does not mean 20 minutes every single night. It could be 30 minutes one night if he's rolling or other guys get into foul trouble. It can mean 10 on nights when the other 3 are all playing well. I would suspect early on his minutes will be very limited so he can ease back in. But it's pretty indisputable Memo would be one of the best 4th bigs on any team in the league. It's an advantage we should be exploiting.
GVC
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That all depends on how "healthy" Memo will look/play. If he ends up closer to how he played before the injury, he'll have some positive trade value. If he ends up closer to how he played this past season, he's nowhere near "one of the best 4th bigs on any team in the league", and probably has value only as an expiring contract. If there's anyone out there willing to gamble on Memo for cap relief/pick(s), you take it and run.
billyshelby
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Of course Memo's health is the key issue. As a result, nobody is going to offer anything for him prior to seeing him play. If anything, we have to absorb crap just to unload him. But with basically a full season off, I'd say the chances of his recovery are pretty good. He's not going to forget how to shoot.
So you are saying we need a physically intimidating presence on this team. In this year's draft there I can't think of very man players like this.
Terrence Jones maybe? Or Kawhi Leonard? Kanter? Biyombo maybe could become that.
The Thriller
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Any of those players might be able to do that.
Perhaps not necessarily even a physically intimidating presence since there are so few real "scary" bigs in this draft. Maybe Biyombo or Kanter. I haven't seen much of either of them. Although, I love the descriptions I'm seeing about Biyombo... Ben Wallace, Kendrick Perkins, Serge Ibaka... If he ends up anything like any of those guys then he'll be a fantastic pick.
I'm thinking maybe just competitors. Guys that are weak minded or soft. Which really worries me with all these young unproven euro projects. It worries me even more when I see these euros weigh in at 200 lbs despite being nearly 7 feet tall.
Guys like AK, Fess, and CJ need to be the hell off this team. They can all go play paddy cake and make pillow forts in Russia for all I care.
Get me Leonard any day over those jokes. At least he'll compete and won't back down.
You can call Fes a lot of things but soft is not one them. You did see him floor Kobe on numerous occasions right?
Kanter is 255 Vesely is 240 and Valuciunas is 230 and only 18 years old, buy yeah we should not even consider an intl player.
Gyp Rosetti
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I agree. Hence, my 97 posts regarding acquiring Stephen Jackson before the **** hit the fan this year. Now, I'm not sure there's a point. Kurt Thomas. These types of guys. Who else is there?
GVC
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Which is all that matters (or so you seem to think).
BENTLEY
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according to DX both Vesely and Valanciunas are 240.
Vesely is 21 and Valanciunas is 18.
And I agree it would be nice to have a player that plays with effort. This is why many prefer Bismack I think. Dunno if he'll be there. Dunno where the Jazz are picking. But yeah, I think Bismack is at least 3 on my personal board. Maybe number 1. Not very confident in that though. It's either him or Irving. Or maybe Williams or Kanter. I'm pretty flummoxed. That's the draft this year.
Vesely is 21 and Valanciunas is 18.
And I agree it would be nice to have a player that plays with effort. This is why many prefer Bismack I think. Dunno if he'll be there. Dunno where the Jazz are picking. But yeah, I think Bismack is at least 3 on my personal board. Maybe number 1. Not very confident in that though. It's either him or Irving. Or maybe Williams or Kanter. I'm pretty flummoxed. That's the draft this year.
Gyp Rosetti
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Jesus, when the hell is this lottery drawing again?
billyshelby
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GVC
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I was just commenting on your affinity for players who don't/can't run the floor and/or have little ability/willingness to play team offense and defense. If a guy can hoist up shots, you seem to be on board with that player getting PT at the expense of actual basketball players.
meh.
meh.
May 17th.