Ahhh, I thought his name was that, but wasn't sure. Didn't want to sound like a scrub. Do you hear it though?
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Ahhh, I thought his name was that, but wasn't sure. Didn't want to sound like a scrub. Do you hear it though?
Chargers Jazz Angels
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In that case they pass on Williams we draft him and he ends up in the Hall of Fame and Minny is still a lottery team. I could live with that
Darkwing Duck
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I can see where you can come to that conclusion, yes. Definitely not as pronounced, though.
Kanter is big enough to play C. He's as big as Tim Duncan, not as good as Tim Duncan. One of the concerns was whether he was really a C.
BENTLEY
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Kanter can play center. He isn't ideal at center - he's better at PF. Same goes for Jefferson, Favors, Memo. All are PFs. But there aren't any Centers worth taking at 3 in this draft. You gotta go BPA at 3 and that might be Kanter. Then you have a premium asset which you can trade, or trade one of the other PF/C's on the Jazz roster.
Again - Irving, Dwill2, Kanter: one of them will be BPA at 3.
Again - Irving, Dwill2, Kanter: one of them will be BPA at 3.
BENTLEY
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Did you guys catch the interview with Fredette, where the reporter asked him which players he liked and tried to emulate? First he said John Stockton, mentioned he wanted to master his one handed pass. Then he said Deron Williams, and talked about his crossover move that he's been working. haha, I was like "man, he's campaigning to be picked by KOC." He did add Steve Nash at that point, and mentioned his ability to make off-balance wacky shots. Had to throw someone else in there so it wasn't so obvious he wanted to be picked by the Jazz but the reporter didn't seem to catch the last one 'cause her response was "so just the Utah Jazz."
Yeah, he would LOVE to be picked by the Jazz. ...if I thought he could develop the ability to pass like Nash I'd be tempted to take him 12. He's fun to root for and it's nice to have a guy WANT to play here. There wouldn't be a need to trade him before his contract's up and he bolts for the big city. I just don't know about him. If there was no one else at 12 then I'd be ok rolling the dice on Fredette, but there a quite a few other decent option at 12 I think I might prefer to gamble on.
Yeah, he would LOVE to be picked by the Jazz. ...if I thought he could develop the ability to pass like Nash I'd be tempted to take him 12. He's fun to root for and it's nice to have a guy WANT to play here. There wouldn't be a need to trade him before his contract's up and he bolts for the big city. I just don't know about him. If there was no one else at 12 then I'd be ok rolling the dice on Fredette, but there a quite a few other decent option at 12 I think I might prefer to gamble on.
billyshelby
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It drives me crazy anyone thinks Singleton is worth drafting. DraftExpress has him at 19 which is about right, but he's a late first. His offensive numbers aren't good, but they look passable at a glance on the season. Inside the numbers is where you can see the enormous flaws.
In ACC games he shot 40%, 29 from 3
He only scored over 20 four times which included a killer game against Butler, 2 ACC games, and Auburn (the dregs of the SEC)
He had a few nice games against quality competition, but mostly he got eaten up the better the teams were.
And that's after 3 years in college. Singleton is a defensive specialist. That's it. You don't draft that at 12.
In ACC games he shot 40%, 29 from 3
He only scored over 20 four times which included a killer game against Butler, 2 ACC games, and Auburn (the dregs of the SEC)
He had a few nice games against quality competition, but mostly he got eaten up the better the teams were.
And that's after 3 years in college. Singleton is a defensive specialist. That's it. You don't draft that at 12.
I kind of agree with Bill. I think if someone like Burks is still on the board you have to take him over Singleton.
billyshelby
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I tried to watch video of Burks a while back and strangely there's not a lot. I like what I've read. But he intrigues me for sure.
He has a combine interview which is pretty good, besides the fact he says the phrase "you know" to begin and end each sentence he says, but I'm guessing that is just nerves of being in front of a camera.
billyshelby
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I literally don't care at all how a guy sounds in an interview. I barely care what they say unless its something really wacky. They're all 18 to 20 year old kids trying to say the right thing. I only care how they play.
I actually find interviews extremely important. Mostly how realistic their perception of themselves is. For example: Travis Leslie said he wants to be compared to someone other than Tony Allen. He thinks he can be better than Allen and all Allen does is play defense. Leslie is a player who has zero offensive game, yet clearly thinks of himself as an offensive player. If he has this mindset he isn't going to make it in the NBA for long. On the other hand, take a guy like Kenneth Fariehd. He knows who he is and knows what he has to do in the NBA.
billyshelby
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That's a fair point, but I expect every player to say he thinks he's much better than however he's labeled. And I do think the interview is important, just not the one the media collects and we see on youtube. The interview that matters is the one KOC has with a player which is never televised and we rarely know about.
green
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I agree. There will be 1-4 stars in this draft. Everyone else will be a role player or a bust. Players need to realize they are being picked to play a roll...and being Kevin Durant ain't it.
3 things-
1. Every draft can only be compared against itself. Singleton could arguably be BPA at 12.
2. Singleton has greatly improved his set jumpshot. That is his offensive contribution.
From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Chris-Singleton-1342/#ixzz1MxGtxhtD
https://www.draftexpress.com
3. He was the go to option on a putrid florida state team. So what that will not be his role in the NBA.
billyshelby
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Your link is from December 27th, with only 1 ACC game under his belt, from which point he proceeded to stink as a shooter.
He was the JUNIOR go to option on team that MADE the NCAA Tourney and then lost to VCU in a game he shot 6-17, a familiar pattern whenever he played against good competition.
Darkwing Duck
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Why not?
If Singleton is a better defensive version of Thabo Sefolosha, that's not a guy you draft at 12? Who do you draft at 12? A shooting SPECIALIST? A Euro you won't see for years? A guy who isn't talented enough to be top 10? What?
billyshelby
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Because you're assuming the absolute that Singleton is a sure thing as a defensive ace. However likely you assume it to be, it isn't assured. What is relatively assured is that he'll be about as effective as Thabo on offense. At 12, you have to be setting the bar a little higher than "likely defensive ace AT THE WING." I'm completely on board with drafting an interior defensive ace that high, not a wing.
Darkwing Duck
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So what's the absolute player at 12?