I don't think playing his preferred position is as important as getting minutes at SOME position. And he wants to move up past where he's projected optimally.
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I don't think playing his preferred position is as important as getting minutes at SOME position. And he wants to move up past where he's projected optimally.
At 3 I hoping for Derrick Williams now. I would be happy with Irving. I am still not convinced that Kanter or Knight will be that great in the league. They are both projects. I don't see how Kemba fits with how we like to play.
At 12 I am convinced that Leonard will be gone. Brooks is intriguing. I still like Valaciunas at 12. Burks could be a valuable pick. Jimmer would be in play at 12 if we don't draft a point. Biyombo at 12 would be a good risk.
At 12 I am convinced that Leonard will be gone. Brooks is intriguing. I still like Valaciunas at 12. Burks could be a valuable pick. Jimmer would be in play at 12 if we don't draft a point. Biyombo at 12 would be a good risk.
BENTLEY
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yep. I think I'm starting to like Brooks more than Burks.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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I worry about burks. He is not a good defender and cant shoot. 2 things the jazz need. Thompson can at least shoot. Brooks worries me because everything I see about him is to me oriented. I keep getting glimpses of almond. If you want the psychology of why I think that way ask I might explain
BENTLEY
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Explain. We got a month until the draft.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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Well let's start with those lime green shoes. They scream look at me.
Second listen to how many times he refers to himself. Me or I. Never does he talk about the team. Now I understand these interviews are all about them but listen to Brandon knights interview it is a lot different.
Third great players make those around them better just by being there. Brooks' team sucked other players didn't get better just because he was out there. On the flip side byu players played better when Jimmer was playing.
The interview were he compares himself to Kobe is a great example. It is late and need to organize more of my thoughts
Second listen to how many times he refers to himself. Me or I. Never does he talk about the team. Now I understand these interviews are all about them but listen to Brandon knights interview it is a lot different.
Third great players make those around them better just by being there. Brooks' team sucked other players didn't get better just because he was out there. On the flip side byu players played better when Jimmer was playing.
The interview were he compares himself to Kobe is a great example. It is late and need to organize more of my thoughts
Stifle Tower
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Agree xthren. Knight's interview was first-rate. He talked about being a leader, but also about how much work he still needs to do. I came away impressed. If the Jazz go with Knight, I won't have a problem with that. On the other hand, with Jimmer slipping a bit, maybe they're thinking they HAVE to take him at #12. Imagine the roar of the crowd if his name is announced. They could immediately open up the ticket booths and sell another 2,000 season tickets.
So Kanter/Fredette would make sense (or Williams/Fredette). Leaves Utah thin at SF, but that could be addressed by resigning AK or using the MLE.
So Kanter/Fredette would make sense (or Williams/Fredette). Leaves Utah thin at SF, but that could be addressed by resigning AK or using the MLE.
I have seen some people here who are worried about Knight's ability to penetrate, those worries are reasonable, but I think it is because Knight has a pretty weak left hand as of right now. Something he really needs to work on.
Zerol
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Based on past experience, drafting a guy that would get booed by the crowd seems to be the way to go......
Also, any option that would lead to the resigning of AK is not a good one...
jazzrule
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Kanter tall enough - I don't think so.
From Draft Express – I pulled the list of players at Enes Kanter’s height taken in the draft
since 1995. DeAndre Jordan is a 7 footer, so he shouldn’t be on the list. See any starting centers, all-star centers or super star centers in the list any where?
Height w/o Shoes Height w/shoes Weight Wingspan
Marko Lekic - 2007 6' 9.75" 6' 10.5" 267 7' 1"
James Hughes - 2007 6' 9.75" 6' 10.75"
Matt Haryasz - 2006 6' 9.75" 6' 11" 219 7' 0.25"
Randell Jackson - 1998 6' 9.75" NA 210 NA NA NA 0 0
Rasheed Wallace - 1995 6' 9.75" NA
Russell Larson - 1995 6' 9.75" NA 219 NA NA NA 0 0
Horatio Llamas - 1996 6' 9.75" NA 282 NA NA NA 0 0
DeAndre Jordan - 2008 6' 9.75" 6' 11" 250 7' 6"
Aleks Maric - 2008 6' 9.75" 6' 10.75" 273 7' 1"
Souleymane Camara - 2003 6' 9.75" 6' 11.25" 211 7' 2.25"
Jason Keep - 2003 6' 9.75" 6' 11" 270 7' 0.5" 8' 10.5"
Troy Murphy - 2001 6' 9.75" 6' 11" 230 6' 11" 8' 9.5"
Vassil Evtimov - 2000 6' 9.75" 6' 10.5" 262 6' 10.5" 8' 10.5"
Jabari Smith - 2000 6' 9.75" 6' 11" 241 7' 2.5" 9' 1.5"
Austin Daye - 2009 6' 9.75" 6' 10.75" 192 7' 2.75" 9' 2"
Greg Monroe - 2010 6' 9.75" 6' 11" 247 7' 2.25" 9' 0.5"
Enes Kanter - 2011 6' 9.75" 6' 11.25" 259 7' 1.5" 9' 1.5"
From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/#ixzz1N4sn4eSj
https://www.draftexpress.com
The Jazz already have a decent offensive center, what we need is a good defensive center and I don't think Kanter is it. I didn't like his lateral movement in the cone drill, did not like his jumping ability and I am not crazy about his height. I tried to create an arguement, with myself, that Alonzo Morning was a 1/4 inch shorter and he was a good defensive center, but then I saw he had 5 inches in wing span on Kanter. If the Jazz draft him as a power forward, would be the only way I would be happy picking him. We then would need to move Favors to center and trade Jefferson. KANTER IS NOT THE DEFENSIVE CENTER WE NEED!
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Gyp Rosetti
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So I was going to start a new thread for this but decided to just post it in here instead. Hypothetically, if the Cavs go Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter at #1, don't we have a fair shot at Irving considering Rubio's coming over this year for the TWolves sitting at #2? I know it seems like a foregone conclusion that Irving is #1 but crazier things have happened.
That's right.
How about Howard, D Cousins, Okafur, Nene, Frye.
All listed at under 6' 9.75"
So there are many very good centers under Kanter's listed height.
billyshelby
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If Irving is on the table at 2, that only makes the pick more valuable in trade. Additionally, I can easily see Minny taking Irving and then trading the rights to Rubio eventually. I just don't see Irving making it to 3 but it's not out of the realm of possibility.
underKANTER
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since they play in shoes, 6 - 11 1/4 is not bad for a center. quite average.
BENTLEY
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This. Kanter's like Horford. Horford seems like a PF playing C too. But in this draft you'd have to take Horford at 3.
BENTLEY
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Actually, this is pretty astute. Way to go Dr. Freud. And in spite of Brooks' personal numbers his team sucked this year. He looks really talented so that should help him in workouts that are all about him, but as part of a team he may not be so great.
I'd rather take Fredette.