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Darkwing Duck said:
My understanding is that the draft happens under the new CBA, but the draftees can't sign contracts until after the free agent moratorium, which would happen after the CBA expires. In essence, they can draft players, and retain their rights, but will sign them under the new CBA and whatever rules it will have in place for draft picks.
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Where did you read this? A college player would be blindly giving up their eligibility then, which would lead to a catastrophic draft class.
 
Are we cursed or what? We go from being a good team to bad, then we lose Sloan, then Deron, we get two lotto picks in a very weak draft, and now because of a lockout the draft will be weaker than we thought it was already going to be.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Are we cursed or what? We go from being a good team to bad, then we lose Sloan, then Deron, we get two lotto picks in a very weak draft, and now because of a lockout the draft will be weaker than we thought it was already going to be.
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how does the lockout effect the draft? can u inform
 
Jazz4ever said:
Where did you read this? A college player would be blindly giving up their eligibility then, which would lead to a catastrophic draft class.
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Didn't really read that, but came to that conclusion based off the first few factors. Draft happens before the current CBA expires on June 30. Teams can't sign players until 7 days after the salary cap figure is reached. I believe this holds true for signing draft picks. The salary cap is reached on July 1st. Players can't sign if there is no CBA.

You see this in the NFL. I'm sure there are some bylaws that allow a certain amount of contact between the draftee and the team, but team's can't sign a draft pick until a new collective bargaining agreement is reached.
 
sepanol said:
how does the lockout effect the draft? can u inform
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The draft occurs under the current CBA.

This may mean, though I doubt it will happen, that the draft picks will receive the agreed upon salary scale that was bargained when the current CBA was accepted. Even if this were true, I'd imagine under the agreement of the new CBA, especially since rookies have no leverage, that the pay scale for the 11-12 season would be modified to fit whatever the new CBA dictates.
 
Although Barnes might drop higher in another draft I still think most people would consider him a great prospect. Billy you are off on this one, but that's
part of the fun on drafting to see who was right.

Knight looked good. I hope he's around at #12, but I'm he could end up 8-11 in this draft.
I'd be more excited about Knight than Jimmer. If we don't move up to get Barnes please let us get Knight or Walker with that #12 pick.

right now Barnes/Dwill2 or Kanter and Knight/Walker look like the best scenarios...
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Didn't really read that, but came to that conclusion based off the first few factors. Draft happens before the current CBA expires on June 30. Teams can't sign players until 7 days after the salary cap figure is reached. I believe this holds true for signing draft picks. The salary cap is reached on July 1st. Players can't sign if there is no CBA.
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In any normal year, rookies are the exception. Free agents can't sign until July 7 or 8, but rookies can in order to get them into rookie camp and summer leagues.

However this year, I think the league will have a morotorium on the rookie signings (and the summer leagues). I think this was the case in 1998 as well. The best source I remember reading is Chad Ford:
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=InOut-2011
See the ninth paragraph, which mentions that signings will be delayed until the new CBA's terms are in effect.
 
If Sullinger stays out of the draft, and we are stuck at #6 who should get then?
Kanter will probably go 4-5. Williams, Barnes, and Irving all gone. Starting to look real slim.

We'd have to reach for Knight/Walker, and get a less exciting player @ 12.
This draft feels a lot worse today.
 
Revolution 9 said:
If Sullinger stays out of the draft, and we are stuck at #6 who should get then?
Kanter will probably go 4-5. Williams, Barnes, and Irving all gone. Starting to look real slim.

We'd have to reach for Knight/Walker, and get a less exciting player @ 12.
This draft feels a lot worse today.
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If some of the Euros such as Vesely and Jonas have good workouts they could work themselves in the top 10. With the talk of Millsap to the 3 this could be more likely.
 
Kenwood said:
In any normal year, rookies are the exception. Free agents can't sign until July 7 or 8, but rookies can in order to get them into rookie camp and summer leagues.

However this year, I think the league will have a morotorium on the rookie signings (and the summer leagues). I think this was the case in 1998 as well. The best source I remember reading is Chad Ford:
https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=InOut-2011
See the ninth paragraph, which mentions that signings will be delayed until the new CBA's terms are in effect.
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If rooks are not allowed to sign and there is a lockout wouldn't this allow them to sign a one year contract and play in Europe?
 
Revolution 9 said:
If Sullinger stays out of the draft, and we are stuck at #6 who should get then?
Kanter will probably go 4-5. Williams, Barnes, and Irving all gone. Starting to look real slim.

We'd have to reach for Knight/Walker, and get a less exciting player @ 12.
This draft feels a lot worse today.
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It's not that bad if we can get Knight at #6 given Barnes and Williams are gone. Knight has been amazing in the tournament and showed that he is a big time clutch player. He was not a point guard in high school but is able to learn on the fly in his freshman season. His ceiling is so high that we should not pass him up for other unknown prospects like Kanter.
 
Revolution 9 said:
If Sullinger stays out of the draft, and we are stuck at #6 who should get then?
Kanter will probably go 4-5. Williams, Barnes, and Irving all gone. Starting to look real slim.

We'd have to reach for Knight/Walker, and get a less exciting player @ 12.
This draft feels a lot worse today.
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One forgets that the luck of the bouncing ping pong balls shall be on our side.
 
If I'm making a list of players I would like, it looks something like this:

Derrick Williams
Kyrie Irving
Perry Jones
Harrison Barnes
Enes Kanter
Kemba Walker
Brandon Knight
Terrence Jones
Sullinger if he comes out

Even without Sullinger, picking at six gives you a choice of three of these guys, seven gives you a choice of two. All of these could be real impact players going forward and I think the doom and gloom around here is a little bit of an overreaction.
 
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...son-barnes-would-be-foolish-to-stay-in-school

NBA Draft 2011: Why Harrison Barnes Would Be Foolish to Stay In School
By
Ryan Rudnansky
(Featured Columnist) on March 27, 2011

NBA Draft 2011 Has Harrison Barnes a Virtual Lock as a Lottery Pick if he Declares

Entering the NCAA Tournament, a lot of people figured Harrison Barnes' decision to stay at North Carolina would largely lie in if he excelled in the postseason.

Well, despite the Tar Heels getting knocked out of the tourney by the Kentucky Wildcats Sunday, Barnes has certainly excelled during March Madness.

He never scored less than 18 points in the tournament, and he effectively showed why he is so highly regarded, using the multiple tools at his disposal to show he can be a complete player in the NBA.

Barnes has said from the start that he won't be a one-and-done player, but as the News & Observer's Robbi Pickeral notes, "Remember: big man Sean May had every intention of returning to the Tar Heels in 2005, until he raised his draft stock during the postseason."

Bobby La Gesse of the Ames Tribune, who writes from the same town in Iowa where Barnes played high school ball, points out North Carolina's star freshman joins a long list of NBA stars that declared after performing well in tournament:

In past years, we’ve seen players like Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Deron Williams, Jeff Green, Tyrus Thomas and Curry lead teams to deep NCAA tournament runs.

All of them became lottery picks and used their fantastic play in the NCAA tournament to increase their bank accounts. Most of these players were in a spot Barnes is in right now, projected first-round picks who moved to the top of the draft.

Not only would Barnes be amiss returning to the Tar Heels after showing vast improvement throughout the season, he would be a fool, with no guarantee that his stock would be this high again.

We all wouldn't mind a star giving college basketball a little more, but from Barnes' perspective, his stock has jumped dramatically and he still has that "potential" factor NBA scouts drool over.

If he even slightly performs worse next season, he loses a great deal of this potential in scouts' eyes because it marks him leveling out.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-north-carolinas-harrison-barnes-one-and-done

2011 NBA Draft: is North Carolina's Harrison Barnes One and Done?
By
Eric Ball
(Featured Columnist) on March 25, 2011

Is Harrison Barnes a one-year wonder for the North Carolina Tar Heels?

The No. 1 freshmen going into the season may have gotten off to a slow start—but he has shown the world why he deserves all of the hype with his play over the last month.

He scored 40 points in the ACC Tournament against Clemson and scored 24 points and grabbed 16 rebounds in a opening NCAA Tournament victory against Long Island.

He is an explosive scorer that can get to the bucket and knock down a three just as successfully. He has perfect form on his jumper and is only going to be more dangerous on the offensive end of the floor.

He competes on defense and his positive attitude has infected his teammates.

Most draft experts have him in their top-five prospects in the country.

So is he going to leave?

Could Barnes possibly turn down millions of guaranteed dollars to stay in college?

According to a report by ESPN.com draft analyst Chad Ford, yes he would:

“One player who may decide to stay in school is North Carolina's Harrison Barnes. Despite Barnes' terrific play of late, one source close to Barnes told me he'd really like to win an NCAA championship for the Tar Heels. "He's the sort of guy who cares about more than just going to the NBA," the source said. "He wants to leave his mark."

Keep an eye on Barnes in Carolina in the tournament going forward. His future as a Tar Heel may depend on it.

I think even if Carolina fails to win the championship agents and “yesmen” will be able to convince him that the money and fame is too good to pass up.

Chance of entering the 2011 NBA Draft: 90 percent.
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