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I'm liking Barnes' game more and more. The clincher is he's supposed to be a good kid and hard worker as well.
 
Im from Des Moines, Iowa. I played against Harrison Barnes in High School. This kid is no thug. He is an extremely hard worker and smart. He was amazing to everyone in Iowa. He is finally starting to get the college game down. I think he would fit our system so perfectly. His athletisicm is so underrated.
 
Dwill4mvp said:
Im from Des Moines, Iowa. I played against Harrison Barnes in High School. This kid is no thug. He is an extremely hard worker and smart. He was amazing to everyone in Iowa. He is finally starting to get the college game down. I think he would fit our system so perfectly. His athletisicm is so underrated.
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He is a high character kid, good head on his shoulders, I know he is high on KOC's list just from that.
 
I think this draft looks pretty decent, at least in the top 10 picks. There are several players with real star potential here.
 
Kenneth Faried--I'd like him more if he can dribble-drive. Any insight here? TIA.

FavorsFlave said:
I thought we don't have a second round pick.
And please somehow get Derrick Williams. Dude can score, shoot, defend, rebound and is an athletic freak.
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KrazeeEyezKilla said:
I like what I see of him a lot. Do we have a 2nd rounder though? I thought it went to the Bulls.
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I don't know if you two are aware, but lottery picks are all first rounders (Prodigy is talking about Utah's 1-16 protected that was traded to Minnesota).
 
franklin said:
Kenneth Faried--I'd like him more if he can dribble-drive. Any insight here? TIA.



If we do miss the playoffs we really do need to look at Fredette with our own pick. Only have 1 PG under contract next year and Fredette can actually shoot the ball unlike most of the backup PGs we have had. Yes, his ability to guard NBA point guards is a concern, but late lottery sounds about right for him.



I don't know if you two are aware, but lottery picks are all first rounders (Prodigy is talking about Utah's 1-16 protected that was traded to Minnesota).
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If we do miss the playoffs we really do need to look at Fredette with our own pick. Only have 1 PG under contract next year and Fredette can actually shoot the ball unlike most of the backup PGs we have had. Yes, his ability to guard NBA point guards is a concern, but late lottery sounds about right for him.
 
FavorsFlave said:
After looking at the standings I just don't see how we get above the 7th pick. They're not going to catch the Clippers, but they could catch possibly the Pistons.

Looking at the teams 1-5, Toronto, Sacramento and Washington are only a game and a half back. I don't see Minny losing their spot and same with the Cavs even though the Cavs have won 3 out of the last 6. I have high expectations this could be a #3 pick, especially if Deron would rest and/or some lottery luck
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I'm thinking the pick will pretty much stay at #6. NJ has an easy schedule (13H 10A), including the next 7 at home. Deron makes them a better team, and if he starts hitting a few shots, I could see them get to 27-28 wins. The next closest team is the Clippers, who are 3 1/2 ahead. They had been playing decent ball until going on a long road trip (2nd longest in NBA history). I think they'll finish ahead of NJ. Detroit is a mess and probably gives up completely within a week. They won't win more than a few games. But they're 4 ahead so maybe they'll still finish ahead of NJ. I don't see any of the teams behind NJ making up any ground, especially with Toronto having 2 games @ NJ this week.

So, depending on the outcome of the lottery, Utah will be slotted in around #6-#7 - probably no chance at Derrick Williams, Irving or Perry Jones, but maybe able to get a SF like Terrence Jones or Harrison Barnes.
 
GlassEater said:
I'm thinking the pick will pretty much stay at #6. NJ has an easy schedule (13H 10A), including the next 7 at home. Deron makes them a better team, and if he starts hitting a few shots, I could see them get to 27-28 wins. The next closest team is the Clippers, who are 3 1/2 ahead. They had been playing decent ball until going on a long road trip (2nd longest in NBA history). I think they'll finish ahead of NJ. Detroit is a mess and probably gives up completely within a week. They won't win more than a few games. But they're 4 ahead so maybe they'll still finish ahead of NJ. I don't see any of the teams behind NJ making up any ground, especially with Toronto having 2 games @ NJ this week.

So, depending on the outcome of the lottery, Utah will be slotted in around #6-#7 - probably no chance at Derrick Williams, Irving or Perry Jones, but maybe able to get a SF like Terrence Jones or Harrison Barnes.
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you dont believe in the luck of the Jazz. True in the draft we got Derron we were supposed to get a higher pick but the balls went against us and we had to package some picks. If we do get our own pick and want a AK like player. have to look at Henson from NC. Because of size issues they got him playing the 4, but hopefully translates into a 3 in the pros.
 
I did some looking into all of the SG options in the draft.

I wish there was a way to insert a table into the post to keep it readable.

Mock Last Nm First Nm Position Ht School Pts Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
  1. 11 Burks Alec PG/SG 6-6 Colorado 19.7 6.2 2.5 2.9 0.9 0.3 2.6 45.30% 82.40% 30.40% 1.41
  2. 12 Honeycutt Tyler SG/SF 6-8 UCLA 12.8 7.4 2.9 3.1 0.8 2.0 1.7 41.70% 70.20% 35.40% 1.18
  3. 14 Hamilton Jordan SG/SF 6-7 Texas 18.8 7.5 2.2 2.3 0.8 0.7 1.6 44.70% 77.60% 40.50% 1.27
  4. 17 Knight Brandon PG/SG 6-3 Kentuky 17.7 4.0 4.1 3.2 0.6 0.3 2.4 45.80% 77.70% 40.10% 1.36
  5. 26 Thompson Klay SG 6-6 Washington St 21.4 5.1 4.0 3.7 1.8 1.0 3.0 44.60% 82.40% 41.60% 1.34
  6. 27 Smith Nolan PG/SG 6-3 Duke 21.3 4.9 5.2 2.9 1.3 0.1 1.8 47.60% 82.00% 37.40% 1.37
  7. 31 Dunn LaceDarius SG 6-4 Baylor 20.2 3.9 2.2 3.6 1.5 0.0 2.3 41.50% 82.70% 37.80% 1.35
  8. 34 Lee Malcolm PG/SG 6-5 UCLA 13.3 2.9 2.1 1.8 0.6 0.2 2.5 44.00% 78.20% 30.80% 1.35
  9. 38 Lighty David SG 6-6 Ohio State 12.5 4.0 3.3 1.7 1.8 0.4 2.0 45.90% 62.50% 39.60% 1.36
  10. 39 Brooks Marshon SG 6-5 Providence 25.1 7.2 2.2 3.1 1.6 1.2 2.5 49.40% 76.40% 33.30% 1.39
  11. 40 Moore E'twaun PG/SG 6-3 Purdue 18.5 5.3 3.2 1.7 1.2 0.6 2.0 44.80% 70.60% 41.30% 1.25
  12. 46 Johnson Ravern SG/SF 6-7 Miss State 17.1 3.5 0.6 1.4 0.4 0.6 1.0 42.20% 76.90% 38.20% 1.29
  13. 48 Freeman Austin SG 6-4 Georgetown 17.7 3.7 2.5 1.8 0.7 0.2 1.8 50.30% 85.90% 39.50% 1.38
  14. 49 Long Cam SG 6-4 George Mason 15.1 4.8 3.0 1.7 1.5 0.2 1.7 48.30% 75.70% 44.00% 1.36
  15. 50 Bogdanovic Bojan SG 6-7 Croatia 18.0 3.5 1.8 3.3 1.7 0.2 2.1 46.90% 30.90% 76.50% 1.20
  16. 53 Hurtt Justin SG 6-4 Tulsa 20.0 3.8 2.4 2.8 0.5 0.2 1.6 41.80% 82.70% 36.90% 1.30
  17. 55 Gray Steven SG 6-4 Gonzaga 14.1 3.8 4.0 2.3 1.8 0.1 2.3 41.50% 74.30% 37.00% 1.24
  18. 60 Wanamaker Brad PG/SG 6-4 Pittsburgh 12.3 5.2 5.1 2.2 1.6 0.4 2.0 46.70% 73.90% 34.10% 1.37

The ones I like are Brooks, Thompson, and Honeycutt, and maybe Hamilton for their defense, and three of those can really score as well.

I immediately dismissed anyone under 6-5, because I don't think we should go shorter than 6-5 for our SG.

Of the remaining SG options on my list, Lighty has the best A/TO ratio.
Burks and Brooks are tops in PPS, so are the most efficient as to scoring.
Honeycutt, Hamilton, and Brooks rebound the best.
Thompson is the best with assists, but is also the worst in TO's.

I was going to post a youtube video of Marshon Brooks 09-10 highlights because he is my favorite of the group, but look it up yourselves. I don't think the song lyrics would make it through the filter
 
JazzSpazz said:
I did some looking into all of the SG options in the draft.

I wish there was a way to insert a table into the post to keep it readable.

Mock Last Nm First Nm Position Ht School Pts Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
  1. 11 Burks Alec PG/SG 6-6 Colorado 19.7 6.2 2.5 2.9 0.9 0.3 2.6 45.30% 82.40% 30.40% 1.41
  2. 12 Honeycutt Tyler SG/SF 6-8 UCLA 12.8 7.4 2.9 3.1 0.8 2.0 1.7 41.70% 70.20% 35.40% 1.18
  3. 14 Hamilton Jordan SG/SF 6-7 Texas 18.8 7.5 2.2 2.3 0.8 0.7 1.6 44.70% 77.60% 40.50% 1.27
  4. 17 Knight Brandon PG/SG 6-3 Kentuky 17.7 4.0 4.1 3.2 0.6 0.3 2.4 45.80% 77.70% 40.10% 1.36
  5. 26 Thompson Klay SG 6-6 Washington St 21.4 5.1 4.0 3.7 1.8 1.0 3.0 44.60% 82.40% 41.60% 1.34
  6. 27 Smith Nolan PG/SG 6-3 Duke 21.3 4.9 5.2 2.9 1.3 0.1 1.8 47.60% 82.00% 37.40% 1.37
  7. 31 Dunn LaceDarius SG 6-4 Baylor 20.2 3.9 2.2 3.6 1.5 0.0 2.3 41.50% 82.70% 37.80% 1.35
  8. 34 Lee Malcolm PG/SG 6-5 UCLA 13.3 2.9 2.1 1.8 0.6 0.2 2.5 44.00% 78.20% 30.80% 1.35
  9. 38 Lighty David SG 6-6 Ohio State 12.5 4.0 3.3 1.7 1.8 0.4 2.0 45.90% 62.50% 39.60% 1.36
  10. 39 Brooks Marshon SG 6-5 Providence 25.1 7.2 2.2 3.1 1.6 1.2 2.5 49.40% 76.40% 33.30% 1.39
  11. 40 Moore E'twaun PG/SG 6-3 Purdue 18.5 5.3 3.2 1.7 1.2 0.6 2.0 44.80% 70.60% 41.30% 1.25
  12. 46 Johnson Ravern SG/SF 6-7 Miss State 17.1 3.5 0.6 1.4 0.4 0.6 1.0 42.20% 76.90% 38.20% 1.29
  13. 48 Freeman Austin SG 6-4 Georgetown 17.7 3.7 2.5 1.8 0.7 0.2 1.8 50.30% 85.90% 39.50% 1.38
  14. 49 Long Cam SG 6-4 George Mason 15.1 4.8 3.0 1.7 1.5 0.2 1.7 48.30% 75.70% 44.00% 1.36
  15. 50 Bogdanovic Bojan SG 6-7 Croatia 18.0 3.5 1.8 3.3 1.7 0.2 2.1 46.90% 30.90% 76.50% 1.20
  16. 53 Hurtt Justin SG 6-4 Tulsa 20.0 3.8 2.4 2.8 0.5 0.2 1.6 41.80% 82.70% 36.90% 1.30
  17. 55 Gray Steven SG 6-4 Gonzaga 14.1 3.8 4.0 2.3 1.8 0.1 2.3 41.50% 74.30% 37.00% 1.24
  18. 60 Wanamaker Brad PG/SG 6-4 Pittsburgh 12.3 5.2 5.1 2.2 1.6 0.4 2.0 46.70% 73.90% 34.10% 1.37

The ones I like are Brooks, Thompson, and Honeycutt, and maybe Hamilton for their defense, and three of those can really score as well.

I immediately dismissed anyone under 6-5, because I don't think we should go shorter than 6-5 for our SG.

Of the remaining SG options on my list, Lighty has the best A/TO ratio.
Burks and Brooks are tops in PPS, so are the most efficient as to scoring.
Honeycutt, Hamilton, and Brooks rebound the best.
Thompson is the best with assists, but is also the worst in TO's.

I was going to post a youtube video of Marshon Brooks 09-10 highlights because he is my favorite of the group, but look it up yourselves. I don't think the song lyrics would make it through the filter
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I appreciate the effort you went to look up all the stats. I have heard negative opinion by a couple of college talking head that Brooks is a chucker. Burks is a good all around player but isn't a great athlete or long range shooter.
 
DraftExpress: As an isolation scorer, Jimmer Fredette ranks 19th in NCAA (min 50 poss). Top 3: Reggie Jackson, Andrew Goudelock, Charles Jenkins
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Charles Jenkins is a nice combo guard(PG/SG) that is projected to go late in the 2nd round

Charles Jenkins: College Basketball's Best Kept Secret:
https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Charles-Jenkins-College-Basketballs-Best-Kept-Secret-3636

His nearly 2,500 career points – he's the active leader in the NCAA – is the mark that garners the most attention from fans and casual observers, but it is the versatility and efficiency in which he gets his offense that draws the intrigue of pro scouts. According to data from Synergy Sports Technology, Jenkins ranks as the second most efficient isolation threat in the NCAA (after Andrew Goudelock), scoring on over 50% of his attempts when going one on one (minimum 50 possessions). He also ranks in the top-10 in pick and roll situations and in the top-25 as a catch and shoot threat.

Amongst NCAA prospects classified as point guards in the DraftExpress database, Jenkins currently trails only Kyrie Irving (who played just 8 games this season) in both True Shooting Percentage, and Effective Field Goal Percentage. This speaks not only to the tremendous shooter that Jenkins has developed into over the course of his career, but also the impressive shot selection he has shown this season despite the need his team has for him to score.
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From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/articl...sketballs-Best-Kept-Secret-3636#ixzz1FIJIcwjn
https://www.draftexpress.com


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nySUqQA53UQ

he made pretty significant strides in his shooting %'s from his Junior to Senior season, ala Wesley Matthews
 
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prodigy said:
Charles Jenkins is a nice combo guard(PG/SG) that is projected to go late in the 2nd round

Charles Jenkins: College Basketball's Best Kept Secret:
https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Charles-Jenkins-College-Basketballs-Best-Kept-Secret-3636
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That is pretty interesting, and he seems like he will be pretty good.
I'm not sure I buy this isolation stat though. It's tough to compare when you have not seen all of the games. I have rarely seen Jimmer go 1 on 1 with anyone, if there is an isolation play it usually ends up being 1 on 2, or 1 on 3. Besides I don't think that stat is very relavent because I highly doubt either of those players will be required to be in isolation plays in the NBA.

If we can compare someone to Jimmer lets find other players that are consistently the main focus of the whole other teams's defensive efforts, while multiple defenders are switched to defend that player, and there are consistent double and triple teams on that player throughout the game any time there is a drive or a move... then we can compare.
Jimmer is still putting in the points, and is still fairly efficient even with a drop off after they started guarding him with 6-6 to 6-8 defenders, and the team is still playing well.

Sorry, I just don't think you can compare when the situations are different. Until another player in the country is defended the same way Jimmer is, I don't think there should be any comparisons without some sort of a curve. When is the last time a college player was defended like this? Did it happen to Redick, Morrison, anyone? I really don't know.
 
prodigy said:
Charles Jenkins is a nice combo guard(PG/SG) that is projected to go late in the 2nd round

Charles Jenkins: College Basketball's Best Kept Secret:
https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Charles-Jenkins-College-Basketballs-Best-Kept-Secret-3636



From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/articl...sketballs-Best-Kept-Secret-3636#ixzz1FIJIcwjn
https://www.draftexpress.com



he made pretty significant strides in his shooting %'s from his Junior to Senior season, ala Wesley Matthews
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Don't get me wrong on my last post, I don't think comparing is easy, and I think Jenkins is great. He has a good A/TO ratio, and great shooting percentages and offensive efficiency. He also seems to be much better defensively than Jimmer, and we can definitely compare that. I don't think you can go wrong with either pick, but Jenkins will probably be able to defend more on the NBA level.
 
JazzSpazz said:
I did some looking into all of the SG options in the draft.

I wish there was a way to insert a table into the post to keep it readable.

Mock Last Nm First Nm Position Ht School Pts Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
  1. 11 Burks Alec PG/SG 6-6 Colorado 19.7 6.2 2.5 2.9 0.9 0.3 2.6 45.30% 82.40% 30.40% 1.41
  2. 12 Honeycutt Tyler SG/SF 6-8 UCLA 12.8 7.4 2.9 3.1 0.8 2.0 1.7 41.70% 70.20% 35.40% 1.18
  3. 14 Hamilton Jordan SG/SF 6-7 Texas 18.8 7.5 2.2 2.3 0.8 0.7 1.6 44.70% 77.60% 40.50% 1.27
  4. 17 Knight Brandon PG/SG 6-3 Kentuky 17.7 4.0 4.1 3.2 0.6 0.3 2.4 45.80% 77.70% 40.10% 1.36
  5. 26 Thompson Klay SG 6-6 Washington St 21.4 5.1 4.0 3.7 1.8 1.0 3.0 44.60% 82.40% 41.60% 1.34
  6. 27 Smith Nolan PG/SG 6-3 Duke 21.3 4.9 5.2 2.9 1.3 0.1 1.8 47.60% 82.00% 37.40% 1.37
  7. 31 Dunn LaceDarius SG 6-4 Baylor 20.2 3.9 2.2 3.6 1.5 0.0 2.3 41.50% 82.70% 37.80% 1.35
  8. 34 Lee Malcolm PG/SG 6-5 UCLA 13.3 2.9 2.1 1.8 0.6 0.2 2.5 44.00% 78.20% 30.80% 1.35
  9. 38 Lighty David SG 6-6 Ohio State 12.5 4.0 3.3 1.7 1.8 0.4 2.0 45.90% 62.50% 39.60% 1.36
  10. 39 Brooks Marshon SG 6-5 Providence 25.1 7.2 2.2 3.1 1.6 1.2 2.5 49.40% 76.40% 33.30% 1.39
  11. 40 Moore E'twaun PG/SG 6-3 Purdue 18.5 5.3 3.2 1.7 1.2 0.6 2.0 44.80% 70.60% 41.30% 1.25
  12. 46 Johnson Ravern SG/SF 6-7 Miss State 17.1 3.5 0.6 1.4 0.4 0.6 1.0 42.20% 76.90% 38.20% 1.29
  13. 48 Freeman Austin SG 6-4 Georgetown 17.7 3.7 2.5 1.8 0.7 0.2 1.8 50.30% 85.90% 39.50% 1.38
  14. 49 Long Cam SG 6-4 George Mason 15.1 4.8 3.0 1.7 1.5 0.2 1.7 48.30% 75.70% 44.00% 1.36
  15. 50 Bogdanovic Bojan SG 6-7 Croatia 18.0 3.5 1.8 3.3 1.7 0.2 2.1 46.90% 30.90% 76.50% 1.20
  16. 53 Hurtt Justin SG 6-4 Tulsa 20.0 3.8 2.4 2.8 0.5 0.2 1.6 41.80% 82.70% 36.90% 1.30
  17. 55 Gray Steven SG 6-4 Gonzaga 14.1 3.8 4.0 2.3 1.8 0.1 2.3 41.50% 74.30% 37.00% 1.24
  18. 60 Wanamaker Brad PG/SG 6-4 Pittsburgh 12.3 5.2 5.1 2.2 1.6 0.4 2.0 46.70% 73.90% 34.10% 1.37

The ones I like are Brooks, Thompson, and Honeycutt, and maybe Hamilton for their defense, and three of those can really score as well.

I immediately dismissed anyone under 6-5, because I don't think we should go shorter than 6-5 for our SG.

Of the remaining SG options on my list, Lighty has the best A/TO ratio.
Burks and Brooks are tops in PPS, so are the most efficient as to scoring.
Honeycutt, Hamilton, and Brooks rebound the best.
Thompson is the best with assists, but is also the worst in TO's.

I was going to post a youtube video of Marshon Brooks 09-10 highlights because he is my favorite of the group, but look it up yourselves. I don't think the song lyrics would make it through the filter
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I've said since the trade that Honeycutt should be the guy we target. Read his profile. What's not to like? He's a bit skinny? So is Durant and by all accounts, this kid makes up for it. His mediocre to average shooting. Again, so what? Look at Wade's and Lebron's numbers. The kid has a great shooting stroke and has so many skills that it should jump off the page at us.

That said, I want to see which player stands out in the tourney. NBA studs usually showed up in the tourney. See Carmello, Wade and Rose. Other studs didn't play college ball. See Howard, Kobe, Lebron, etc. So of the guys we're targeting, I want to see which guy has the 'It" factor.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
I've said since the trade that Honeycutt should be the guy we target. Read his profile. What's not to like? He's a bit skinny? So is Durant and by all accounts, this kid makes up for it. His mediocre to average shooting. Again, so what? Look at Wade's and Lebron's numbers. The kid has a great shooting stroke and has so many skills that it should jump off the page at us.

That said, I want to see which player stands out in the tourney. NBA studs usually showed up in the tourney. See Carmello, Wade and Rose. Other studs didn't play college ball. See Howard, Kobe, Lebron, etc. So of the guys we're targeting, I want to see which guy has the 'It" factor.
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Durant can do what he does largely because he CAN shoot. Wade and Lebron have done what they've done despite not being revered shooters because they are powerful players. If the kid is neither a shooter nor powerful, that's significant.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Durant can do what he does largely because he CAN shoot. Wade and Lebron have done what they've done despite not being revered shooters because they are powerful players. If the kid is neither a shooter nor powerful, that's significant.
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So I guess elite athleticism is what stands out more than anything else?
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
So I guess elite athleticism is what stands out more than anything else?
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I don't know, I'm just saying that the players you mentioned have some very special attributes, and Honeycutt - from what little I know - seems like he's AK 2.0. Loaded for good (versatile, long, athletic) and bad (soft, lackadaisical), but even at best is not a player you can build around.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
So I guess elite athleticism is what stands out more than anything else?
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Really not trying to be a smart *** here at all but what are you basing "elite athleticism" off of? Have you seen some measurable's out there on him? Also, who in the NBA do you consider elite athletes?

I've watched him 3 times this year and highschool highlights (every top 100 kid looks elite against average high schoolers) and while being very athletic I'd say he's in the median range of athlete currently in the NBA. To me elite is LeBron, Amare, Howard, Griffin and Rose.

That said I like him a lot.
 
Derrick W., Perry Jones, or Kyrie Irving?

Who do you take IF we have a top 3 pick? Perry Jones is a 6 foot 11 Small Forward, that can play 2 from what I've heard. Still isnt fully there with the jump shot. Irving is compared to as what I see as a good scenario - Chris Paul, and bad - Mike Conley.

Derrick Williams is a Power Forward, and we've done got Favors and Millsap.

This draft looks weak, almost the whole top 10 on the big board are freshman. But if you go with anyone, I'd say Perry Jones. Guy could turn out to be a Jonathan Bender, or a Kevin Durant.
 
The Fresh Prince said:
Who do you take IF we have a top 3 pick? Perry Jones is a 6 foot 11 Small Forward, that can play 2 from what I've heard. Still isnt fully there with the jump shot. Irving is compared to as what I see as a good scenario - Chris Paul, and bad - Mike Conley.

Derrick Williams is a Power Forward, and we've done got Favors and Millsap.

This draft looks weak, almost the whole top 10 on the big board are freshman. But if you go with anyone, I'd say Perry Jones. Guy could turn out to be a Jonathan Bender, or a Kevin Durant.
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Believe Perry Jones is a PF. He has not outside shot what soever. Looks like he even plays C as well. I think you are confusing him with Terrence Jones from KY.
 
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