trigg3r
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We might be terrible in the next couple of years no matter who we draft. I would love Barnes. Will he be available when we pick? Probably not.
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We might be terrible in the next couple of years no matter who we draft. I would love Barnes. Will he be available when we pick? Probably not.
BENTLEY
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Yeah, no one's all that proven - especially a freshman. But Barnes had a body of work that made him the #1 HS prospect before going to UNC. His falling short of totally dominating in his first year isn't enough reason to totally discard him. He's a gamble - like everyone - but of the guys that might be there he's nice gamble. You gotta put your money on someone.
As far as Barnes being a superfluous 3 - given that the Jazz drafted Hayward last year - I cite BPA. There isn't a SG that tempts me as much as Barnes does. (I'm actually kinda liking Kanter - in which case Jazz would have to trade a superfluous PF for a SG).
Let's hope so -- more lottery balls.
The Thriller
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Good point.
But I just wanted to emphasize the risks of these "projects" that some here seem to love. And how many here seem to be advocating a youth movement.
The Jazz suck real bad right now. If they take on more youth and more projects, things are much likely to get worse before they get better. We seem to take OKC as our model, but seem to forget the years that it took for them to amass such talent.... And how awful it must have been for fans to watch that crap unfold for years and years.
Are we prepared to suck for the next 2-3 years while we stockpile draft picks and give time to players, like Favors and Hayward, who are going to have many games where they can't shoot, foul a lot, and are unable to contribute much positively?
Are we prepared to watch this Jazz team suck not for a stretch of road games, but for seasons?
Are we prepared to risk these players giving us little for 2-3 years and then once having a breakout season leaving us to join a big market? Because that's the newest fever in the NBA.
The Jazz are in a tough position. Probably not as bad as Cleveland or Toronto. But a tough situation nonetheless. This offseason and the following could make or break this franchise. Literally, we cannot have an offseason of drafting busts like Kosta or Kirk Snyder after trading away our franchise player.
If Barnes is the man, then he needs to be a legit starter in the NBA. Not a project like CJ that after 3-4 years can contribute here and there every 5 games. But a legit starter and hopefully allstar.
The Jazz no longer can look for role players, but all stars for their talent deprived roster.
The Jazz are just out of sync. Devin Harris isn't the most natural PG for the Jazz's system, the Jazz aren't really running their system, and they aren't making the extra pass to find someone open like they used to. Then on defense, they're not really helping each other either to rebound or defend.
NAOS
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I love this burn every time! BOOYAH bitch!
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Give me Nolan with the second pick please
Hopefully we can get Williams and Barnes, that would give us a huge back court.
BENTLEY
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I understand this is a weak draft but man, it seems like there are quite a few guys I'm liking. Maybe it's because they should end up with a top 6 pick and there are a couple within the first projected that I like - and they're not the ones everyone else is in love with (Kyrie, dwill2).
Favors Flave
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Taking out D-Will2 and Irving and I could still come up with 14 guys I'd like to have. Even better we're most likely getting 2 of these guys
Barnes, Sullinger, Kanter, Vessely, the Jones', Burks, Brandon Knight, Nolan Smith, Donas, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmer, Kemba Walker, Jordan Hamilton
Barnes, Sullinger, Kanter, Vessely, the Jones', Burks, Brandon Knight, Nolan Smith, Donas, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmer, Kemba Walker, Jordan Hamilton
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Jazz4ever
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Yeah that is probably why KOC will not trade up for a top 3. Although he may go euro on one of the picks to stash overseas for a year or two (Jonas, Donotas)?
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Great post. You really hit in bold above. That is the problem with this draft, imo, is a dearth of such players. I think what we see mostly are project players up to solid starters in this draft, at best. Nothing about any of these guys screams future all-star to me.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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I am liking Terrance jones more and more. His 3 point shooting isn't awful.
I actually think thats a very good idea considering we dont need 2 new rookies. Stashing a guy is a good alternative.
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I disagree with this. The jazz need talent now. They need to develop these guys and have them gel. I think we as jazz fans are so used to rookies just sucking *** that we don't realize how special it is to have two lottery picks. I for one hope the jazz stay the hell away from any of the euros. There is talent in this draft. Let's just hope koc does not get size happy and blow these picks.
I agree with this, but I don't put Kanter in the Euro category. If he's there, he might be the best pick. The Jazz need wings but this is not a good draft for wings (where they might be picking). That's what's making Barnes look so intriguing is that he's probably the best wing. Taking players to stash in Europe is really not going to help the D-Will trade make sense. If the Jazz come out of this with one of the European players and Jimmer, this draft/trade is a failure. The other thing they can't do is get another power forward. There are no great power forwards in this draft. There are some very good ones, but are they better than those the Jazz currently have? Probably not.
The Thriller
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nbadraft.net says that Kanter has some history with leg problems.
BENTLEY
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This.
I guess a little in my defense, I'm not thinking Jimmer and a Euro, I'm thinking BPA with the 6/7ish and euro with the second. We need talent, yes, but should we try and manufacture some where none exists? I'd LOVE to have 2 über talented lottery picks but, imo, that isn't going to come to fruition.
So what I'm saying is lets not force the issue by having Hayward, Favors and Evans fight for time with another two rookies. None of the current rookies have a solid foundation at this point so there are growth stunting possibilities by mixing in two new guys that will likely have both A) demand for minutes because of being lottery guys and B) the expectations that come with that.
My order of scenarios would be:
1) get 2 guys with very low bust potential, Irving/Dwill2 types or again, one of the guys that seems to wow in workouts every year. This is obviously VERY unlikely where we pick.
2) package the picks if we target one guy, ala Dwill trade. Love this scenario as its much more likely than 1.
3) trade either one or both picks for a starter at the wing.
4) Darft bpa and then a euro to stash.
5) Darft two projects from the list people love like: Barnes, Burks, Smith, Knight, Hamilton etc. There's a good chance one of these guys will turn out, but two? Having one project I can stomach, but two project guys with hi bust potential and average to above average at best ceilings is stupid, IMO.
So, yeah, taking a euro and stashing is one option away from the bottom. I should have clarified.
-Hugs
So what I'm saying is lets not force the issue by having Hayward, Favors and Evans fight for time with another two rookies. None of the current rookies have a solid foundation at this point so there are growth stunting possibilities by mixing in two new guys that will likely have both A) demand for minutes because of being lottery guys and B) the expectations that come with that.
My order of scenarios would be:
1) get 2 guys with very low bust potential, Irving/Dwill2 types or again, one of the guys that seems to wow in workouts every year. This is obviously VERY unlikely where we pick.
2) package the picks if we target one guy, ala Dwill trade. Love this scenario as its much more likely than 1.
3) trade either one or both picks for a starter at the wing.
4) Darft bpa and then a euro to stash.
5) Darft two projects from the list people love like: Barnes, Burks, Smith, Knight, Hamilton etc. There's a good chance one of these guys will turn out, but two? Having one project I can stomach, but two project guys with hi bust potential and average to above average at best ceilings is stupid, IMO.
So, yeah, taking a euro and stashing is one option away from the bottom. I should have clarified.
-Hugs
NAOS
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DREAM SITUATION:
DWill2 would be sweet as hell to get. I'd package both first rounders (if we miss the playoffs) + CJ to get him.
Then, I'd trade Millsap to Indiana for Paul George and Indy's first round pick this year and select a player like JuJuan Johnson or Marcus Morris to come off the bench for Favors and Jefferson.
Harris/Watson/Hayward
Hayward/George
George/DWill2
Favors/Johnson or Morris
Jefferson/Favors/Memo
Add a big name in '12 and you got yourself a pretty decent squad.
All that being said, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if anyone on this current squad is traded.
DWill2 would be sweet as hell to get. I'd package both first rounders (if we miss the playoffs) + CJ to get him.
Then, I'd trade Millsap to Indiana for Paul George and Indy's first round pick this year and select a player like JuJuan Johnson or Marcus Morris to come off the bench for Favors and Jefferson.
Harris/Watson/Hayward
Hayward/George
George/DWill2
Favors/Johnson or Morris
Jefferson/Favors/Memo
Add a big name in '12 and you got yourself a pretty decent squad.
All that being said, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if anyone on this current squad is traded.