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sojodave said:
I like Barnes and I think he will be better than Marvin Williams. I think he has a good handle, shoots well, and is an aggressive rebounder. However, I think Derrick Williams will be a better pro. It will be interesting to see if as many freshman come out as people think. If I were Barnes, i would stay in school because there may not be an NBA season next year. If there is an extended lockout, it could ruin a lot of kids careers if they come out too early.
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They are very, very different players. Barnes is a natural SF in the NBA. He has a lot to learn but he has a natural position.

Derrick Williams is a stuck between positions. He isn't tall enough to be a 4 and will need to develop a lot of perimeter skills to play the 3.
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Watched Harrison Barnes again today, still relatively unimpressed. He looks like a late lottery pick to me. No doubt the kid can shoot, and he has good size and good defense. I wouldnt be upset if we took him, but at hopefully we can go for more of a home run. I can see Barnes being a player like Rip Hamilton or something, a really good complimentary player, but never a star. I think his draft stock is only so high at this point because he is still riding the hype of coming in as the #1 high school player.
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If the Jazz draft a 19-year-old 6' 8" Rip Hamilton with handles, color me ****ing stoked.
 
sojodave said:
I like Barnes and I think he will be better than Marvin Williams. I think he has a good handle, shoots well, and is an aggressive rebounder. However, I think Derrick Williams will be a better pro. It will be interesting to see if as many freshman come out as people think. If I were Barnes, i would stay in school because there may not be an NBA season next year. If there is an extended lockout, it could ruin a lot of kids careers if they come out too early.
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I think this whole lockout thing is being overblown. If you want to get paid you come out this year regardless. Every first round pick will have an agent to Bankroll them until the season begins. Pippin bottles in the club is not going to wait for most of these guys.
 
I think Barnes will end up like Luol Deng or Allan Houston.

I think D. Williams will end up like Carmello, only more fierce and with less range. He can overpower some of the SFs and blow by some of the combo forwards. I think SF can be a natural position for him, like it is for Ron Artest. There might be a small, remote chance that he busts and ends up like Al Thornton, but I doubt it given that he's too offensively gifted and efficient. He played under a lot of pressure today.
 
Catchall said:
I think Barnes will end up like Luol Deng or Allan Houston.

I think D. Williams will end up like Carmello, only more fierce and with less range. He can overpower some of the SFs and blow by some of the combo forwards. I think SF can be a natural position for him, like it is for Ron Artest. There might be a small, remote chance that he busts and ends up like Al Thornton, but I doubt it given that he's too offensively gifted and efficient. He played under a lot of pressure today.
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You know Williams is going for the highest single-season 3-pt shooting percentage in NCAA history, right? He's shooting 60% on a solid number of attempts.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You know Williams is going for the highest single-season 3-pt shooting percentage in NCAA history, right? He's shooting 60% on a solid number of attempts.
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Yes, and he's only 19. I just seem him as more of a slow, methodical distance shooter, rather than having a quick high and confident release like Carmello. He shoots his 'J' a bit like Ron Artest. Also, I'm not sure if he really has NBA range. He could probably develop it though. What I like is his aggressiveness and relentlessness. He's also explosive and has great footwork. He's a great athlete that can just outwork people. He's going to be a force in the league and get to the line a lot.
 
Looking at the top picks again:

Irving,
Dwill2,
Barnes,
Kanter,
Vesely,

Sullinger,
Valanciunas,
Perry Jones,
Terrence Jones

I don't know what order but these may be the top 9 picks.
I want one of the first 5 to drop to 6.
Or the Jazz to sneak into the top 5.
 
Qman said:
(Barnes and Marvin Williams) are very, very different players. Barnes is a natural SF in the NBA. He has a lot to learn but he has a natural position.
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I really don't understand why people would think Barnes is like Marvin Williams. He already shoots much better and is much more of a natural wing. John Henson, though, reminds me a lot of Brendan Wright.
 
BENTLEY said:
Looking at the top picks again:

Irving,
Dwill2,
Barnes,
Kanter,
Vesely,

Sullinger,
Valanciunas,
Perry Jones,
Terrence Jones

I don't know what order but these may be the top 9 picks.
I want one of the first 5 to drop to 6.
Or the Jazz to sneak into the top 5.
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The way you listed them is probably the worse case scenario for the Jazz if they stay at #6 or 7

Sullinger: Good prospect but another undersized PF would be horrible for the Jazz, we already have a peaked version of him called Paul Millsap.
Valanciunas: Suffers from "euroitis", which afflicts most 7 footers over there and despite his length and talent, will not be ready for several years due to his light weight.
Perry Jones: A true physical specimen but very raw, risky pick.
 
Derrick Williams has a nasty spin move. He nearly lost them that game with missed free throws (maybe because of all that tape on his elbow from the fall?). He also missed a big wide open three and (what should have been) that last offensive posesion on a bad post-up. Im glad he got a 2nd (or 3rd) chance to redeem himself and he eventually did.
 
Jan Vesley is like a young AK... so I probably wouldn't pick him just to avoid the nightmare all over again.
 
Maybe there won't be any superstars in this draft, but IMO, it isn't as weak as what everyone is saying (outside of star power). I think the Jazz can get a very good SF prospect at #6 (like a Barnes or Jones) and then pick up a backup PG or SG at #12 (Fredette, Knight, Burks). Also wouldn't be surpised to see KOC work a deal with that 2nd pick.
 
I think the three the Jazz would want and hope would be available with their first pick would be, in no order, Irving, Williams, Barnes. I think Sullinger and P. Jones will be drafted before #6.

So if those five go, who you pick? Kanter? If Kanter goes before six, Williams or Barnes should be available. T. Jones?

A very dynamic draft. Top ten picks are in so much more flux than any draft I remember.
 
Zerol said:
Jan Vesley is like a young AK... so I probably wouldn't pick him just to avoid the nightmare all over again.
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Remember how we were all teased for years and years by AK's unrealized potential. Maybe in Vesely it will be realized.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I think the three the Jazz would want and hope would be available with their first pick would be, in no order, Irving, Williams, Barnes. I think Sullinger and P. Jones will be drafted before #6.

So if those five go, who you pick? Kanter?
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Yeah, probably.


Darkwing Duck said:
If Kanter goes before six, Williams or Barnes should be available. T. Jones?
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Barnes

Darkwing Duck said:
A very dynamic draft. Top ten picks are in so much more flux than any draft I remember.
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Yeah, anyone can fall to the Jazz. I hope I'm not getting my hopes up that someone actually will.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Sullinger: Good prospect but another undersized PF would be horrible for the Jazz, we already have a peaked version of him called Paul Millsap.
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Is there a team that needs a PF like this?
Jazz4ever said:
Valanciunas: Suffers from "euroitis", which afflicts most 7 footers over there and despite his length and talent, will not be ready for several years due to his light weight.
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Draft Express lists him going 2nd on their mock - they're quite high on him. But yeah, I think he's gonna fall. Hopefully he stays in the top 5.
Jazz4ever said:
Perry Jones: A true physical specimen but very raw, risky pick.
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This is the kind of player that usually gets picked pretty early. Probably by the kings.
 
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