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NAOS said:
Vesely runs the floor well, and has the tools to develop a reliable jumpshot. And, he is NBA-style athletic. That is all you can say about the guy. These attributes don't make him a #6 pick, IMO. But if he falls to #10, then somebody will have pretty good value on their pick.
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So do many of the SFs in this draft. Dwill, Leonard, T Jones, are all NBA-style athletic. Especially Tjones and Dwill, who played against tough competition. If anything, Vesely is too tall and skinny for SF. Perhaps he should eat a good meal and try playing PF?

In fact, Tjones might be the most NBA ready out of all of them. 6'8" 244 lbs and a freakish wingspan as only a freshmen?! It helps that he played at UK too. His adjustment to NBA speed and physical play should be small compared to what some of these foreigners are going to go through. Given UK's recent products, Tjones is going to do just fine in the NBA.
 
NAOS said:
name 3 players in this draft that will help us NEXT SEASON.
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Only 3? Seriously?

So I'm assuming you believe that none of our picks are going to immediately contribute next year? Interesting.

Where to you pick the Jazz to finish in the standings next year?
 
The Thriller said:
Only 3? Seriously?

So I'm assuming you believe that none of our picks are going to immediately contribute next year? Interesting.

Where to you pick the Jazz to finish in the standings next year?
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If the Jazz use this draft to 'fix' their problems with shooting and wing depth, then they will miss the playoffs again next season. Outside of DWill2 I don't see a single wing player that will help us until the season is 50 or 60 games past. You've just watched Hayward adjust to life in the NBA, and you're ****ing kidding yourself if you think Jones would have an easier time. DWill2 isn't likely to help us much next year, either.

In other words, if the Jazz org want to be in the playoffs next year, then they need to execute a trade.
 
NAOS said:
yes. please. in all of your wisdom.
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I think there's at least 10 who could help the Jazz out next season. Whether or not that's enough to get them into the playoffs remains to be seen.

Remember now, I didn't say players that would propel us into the playoffs. I said players that could contribute positively.

As far as your comments about Hayward, I think it's a bit unfair to judge him harshly. He didn't get consistent PT until the very end of the season when the new coach was compelled to play him due to injuries. We've seen the Jazz's treatment of rookies before. How Hayward was ever stuffed on the bench behind the likes of CJ and Raja is beyond me (and beyond most who have followed the Jazz. Why was Capt Crunch and Keith playing ahead of Duron?).

I'm just hoping that due to the amount of holes our roster currently has, a younger hopefully less stubborn coach, and with the CBA, the Jazz will finally start playing and developing their rookies from day 1.
 
Looking at T. Jones' stats makes him look pretty good. Offensively almost as good as Dwill2, defensively he's superior.

There's a lot of parity this year.
 
The Thriller said:
I think there's at least 10 who could help the Jazz out next season. Whether or not that's enough to get them into the playoffs remains to be seen.

Remember now, I didn't say players that would propel us into the playoffs. I said players that could contribute positively.

As far as your comments about Hayward, I think it's a bit unfair to judge him harshly. He didn't get consistent PT until the very end of the season when the new coach was compelled to play him due to injuries. We've seen the Jazz's treatment of rookies before. How Hayward was ever stuffed on the bench behind the likes of CJ and Raja is beyond me (and beyond most who have followed the Jazz. Why was Capt Crunch and Keith playing ahead of Duron?).

I'm just hoping that due to the amount of holes our roster currently has, a younger hopefully less stubborn coach, and with the CBA, the Jazz will finally start playing and developing their rookies from day 1.
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here comes your Fox-news spin. There is much more evidence out there to suggest that life at the wing is simply a difficult thing to acclimate oneself. Look at Durant's rookie season.

There is more evidence to suggest that Hayward got more time when he deserved it.

I'm still laughing at how you're backing off the seriousness of your post. I, too, can name at least 5 or 6 players that "will contribute positively" to the team next season. If we're not talking about the playoffs, then that is a freakin' easy thing to say.
 
NAOS said:
I need to explain to you why it is stupid to say that because Biyombo is from Africa the Salt Lake-based Jazz have a better chance re-signing him than if he were from West Virginia (or other origin stories of the "DWill-type")?

Do I really need to explain that to you Mr. Serpico? I hope you don't teach anything resembling a social science or humanities class.

Here's what's wrong (in a nutshell): EVERYTHING.
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Do you think it's a coincidence that our three icons, Sloan, Malone, and Stockton were either nature-loving hicks (and I say that as a compliment) or aloof, and that they didn't necessarily crave the bright lights and big city and had no problem staying here for virtually life, Malone barely excluded? And you don't think that the chances are that re-signing Bimbo may in fact prove easier for us than re-signing someone who came from a major American city? Some hopper? Obviously, each player is independent of the next, and there are foreigners who crave the spotlight of NY and LA as much if not more than any American kid. But if I had to guess, which player we'd have a better likelihood of re-signing down the line, it would be a foreigner. Maybe it's just me though.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
Do you think it's a coincidence that our three icons, Sloan, Malone, and Stockton were either nature-loving hicks (and I say that as a compliment) or aloof, and that they didn't necessarily crave the bright lights and big city and had no problem staying here for virtually life, Malone barely excluded? And you don't think that the chances are that re-signing Bimbo may in fact prove easier for us than re-signing someone who came from a major American city? Some hopper? Obviously, each player is independent of the next, and there are foreigners who crave the spotlight of NY and LA as much if not more than any American kid. But if I had to guess, which player we'd have a better likelihood of re-signing down the line, it would be a foreigner. Maybe it's just me though.
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which brings us back to your original point. How the **** can you attribute these "natural" qualities to one of the biggest, most populated continents on the planet? You realize that there are modern cities in Africa, right? You realize that not all rural life is the same, right? Where is Biyombo from? do you know? just answer this last question without using google so that we can get to the bottom of this.

EDIT: nevermind the fact that he's been living in Madrid, Spain. I hear there is nothing to do there.
 
NAOS said:
which brings us back to your original point. How the **** can you attribute these "natural" qualities to one of the biggest, most populated continents on the planet? You realize that there are modern cities in Africa, right? You realize that not all rural life is the same, right? Where is Biyombo from? do you know? just answer this last question without using google so that we can get to the bottom of this.

EDIT: nevermind the fact that he's been living in Madrid, Spain. I hear there is nothing to do there.
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No, I don't know where he's from in Congo. And yes, Madrid's as major a major city as any. But again, my question still remains. You don't think we'd have a better chance of re-signing a foreigner than we would a hopper?
 
Bismack Biyombo is from the Democratic Republic of the Congo, it is a state located in Central Africa. It is the third largest country in Africa by area after Sudan and Algeria and the twelfth largest in the world. With a population of nearly 71 million, the Democratic Republic of the Congo is the eighteenth most populous nation in the world, and the fourth most populous nation in Africa.

With the #6 pick I am hoping that KOC drafts Bismack Biyombo, he is the best defensive power forward in the draft, and a front-court of Biyombo at PF and Favors at C would be one scary combo on the defensive side. 12 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 blocks is unheard of considering who Biyombo has playing against in the Nike Hoop Summit, not to mention it was the first ever triple-double. Biyombo could use some help on offense, but that is no big problem, he is a great leaper and dunks the ball with two hands every time which is definitely a plus. Despite being only 6-9, he has a huge 7-7 wingspan that helps him block shots so easily. The games that I have seen Biyombo play in he jumps from far away and still dunks it or gets an easy lay-up with two hands. Come on it doesn't hurt that he watched the Utah Jazz growing up, with Karl Malone being his favorite player.
 
Cousinsfan11 said:
Bismack Biyombo is from the Democratic Republic of the Congo, it is a state located in Central Africa. It is the third largest country in Africa by area after Sudan and Algeria and the twelfth largest in the world. With a population of nearly 71 million, the Democratic Republic of the Congo is the eighteenth most populous nation in the world, and the fourth most populous nation in Africa.

With the #6 pick I am hoping that KOC drafts Bismack Biyombo, he is the best defensive power forward in the draft, and a front-court of Biyombo at PF and Favors at C would be one scary combo on the defensive side. 12 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 blocks is unheard of considering who Biyombo has playing against in the Nike Hoop Summit, not to mention it was the first ever triple-double. Biyombo could use some help on offense, but that is no big problem, he is a great leaper and dunks the ball with two hands every time which is definitely a plus. Despite being only 6-9, he has a huge 7-7 wingspan that helps him block shots so easily. The games that I have seen Biyombo play in he jumps from far away and still dunks it or gets an easy lay-up with two hands. Come on it doesn't hurt that he watched the Utah Jazz growing up, with Karl Malone being his favorite player.
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I just rewatched a lot of this game. Biyombo is mentally very raw. And he didn't look as quick as I hoped. Granted this wasn't a game between pro teams but I am a lot lower on Biyombo recently.
 
Qman said:
I just rewatched a lot of this game. Biyombo is mentally very raw. And he didn't look as quick as I hoped. Granted this wasn't a game between pro teams but I am a lot lower on Biyombo recently.
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I don't think this game, and the conditions of coaching, etc, are a good metric for judging his metal state.
 
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