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billyshelby said:
I like Chad Ford, I think he has good pipelines for information, and he's knowledgeable. But every year I lose count off how many guys "floored" him in workouts or "shot the lights out" or "looked much bigger/stronger/faster" than they did in college. He's a little bit exuberant about college guys like Vitale used to be. And I never get excited when I hear guys drilled 3's in an empty gym or posted up their twin brother really well.
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Darko was one of the guys who floored him by shooting lights out in practice.
 
guys, are you not underrating kanters athleticizm? he came from an injury why he didn't seem very athletic. but still, he was very light on his feet (incredible footwork), very agile, pretty quick, runs the floor very well, has good coordination and balance. all are above average. the only average things are his lateral movement and leaping ability. he lacks the explosiveness to leap like a stoudamire, griffin, or lebron, but overall, he is still quite an athlete for a player his size and he is well above average, according to me. a hundred percent healthy and focused enes kanter could easily jump from the free throw line and dunk the ball. like you can see in this video, he shows he could be capable of doing that. quite impressive for a 6-11 or 7-0 big guy (even nbadraft.net has rated his athleticizm as an 8 out of 10):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO6clOC_9Dw
 
underKANTER said:
guys, are you not underrating kanters athleticizm? he came from an injury why he didn't seem very athletic. but still, he was very light on his feet (incredible footwork), very agile, pretty quick, runs the floor very well, has good coordination and balance. all are above average. the only average things are his lateral movement and leaping ability. he lacks the explosiveness to leap like a stoudamire, griffin, or lebron, but overall, he is still quite an athlete for a player his size and he is well above average, according to me. a hundred percent healthy and focused enes kanter could easily jump from the free throw line and dunk the ball. like you can see in this video, he shows he could be capable of doing that. quite impressive for a 6-11 or 7-0 big guy (even nbadraft.net has rated his athleticizm as an 8 out of 10):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO6clOC_9Dw
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Unless Enes has Down Syndrome he will be called for traveling every time he tries this in a game.
 
margodydek said:
Unless Enes has Down Syndrome he will be called for traveling every time he tries this in a game.
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unfortunately, he's one of the smartest guys in the draft with a very high iq. so, this won't happen. but i think he is much more athletic than advertised and if he's hundred percent, he is quite an athlete for a guy of his size.
 
underKANTER said:
unfortunately, he's one of the smartest guys in the draft with a very high iq. so, this won't happen. but i think he is much more athletic than advertised and if he's hundred percent, he is quite an athlete for a guy of his size.
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I agree that it's unfortunate.
 
he only average things are his lateral movement and leaping ability.
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If that's Kanter that you're describing then I fully endorse NOT drafting him.

Didn't we learn our lesson with Memo, Collins, and Boozer?

We need guys down low that aren't liabilities on defense. We need them to help defend the speedy quick guards and to protect the rim.

Cool! He might be able to score maybe! But that's not what wins championships. If the Boozer, Memo, and Deron era didn't teach you that, then I don't think you'll ever learn.
 
The Thriller said:
If that's Kanter that you're describing then I fully endorse NOT drafting him.

Didn't we learn our lesson with Memo, Collins, and Boozer?

We need guys down low that aren't liabilities on defense. We need them to help defend the speedy quick guards and to protect the rim.

Cool! He might be able to score maybe! But that's not what wins championships. If the Boozer, Memo, and Deron era didn't teach you that, then I don't think you'll ever learn.
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I'm not an advocate for Kanter (jury's still out on him), but I wouldn't go so far as to say you need a big guy who has lateral quickness and can jump to be a good interior defender. Duncan is probably one of the best interior defenders of the last 10-15 yrs and he has as much athletic ability as Memo. I'd say footwork and positioning are much more important than athletic ability on defense (this is why I think Gordo's a good defender). Another example would be Marc Gasol. Granted when you hear his name "defense" isn't the first word that comes to mind, but I bet you wouldn't complain if he were your starting center, as he does a decent enough job of clogging the lane and staying in front of his man.
 
i might be a homer of kanter, but i'd like us to rebuilt with a front court of kanter and favors and millsap coming of the bench. we should realy use jefferson and harris for a solid starter point guard and a wing.

but you still don't get it. kanter has solid overall athleticizm. jumping high and blocking shots doesn't make you a great defender. it also takes thoughness, hustle, a big body and intelligence to become a good defender. the willingness, the awareness. kanter was described as a solid defender with his intelligence and i think he could become a solid defender in this league, believe me, he will be far better than boozer or memo on this side of the floor. next to favors, they might become a solid duo that can play both, defense and offense.

there are examples where over-athletic players seem to be thin and get overpowered by bigger players. also players that can leap like the hell but still not block a shot (like griffin as an example). you need also timing to be a blocking presence and there are defenders that aren't over-athletic but are solid defenders, like duncan, garnett, horford, noah and so on... don't think that the leaping ability alone is enough to play defense. for sure, athleticizm and a long wingspan might be attractive but it's still not enough. you also have to learn to play without foul trouble and so on... three highlight blocks doesn't make you a great defender.
 
margodydek said:
I'm not an advocate for Kanter (jury's still out on him), but I wouldn't go so far as to say you need a big guy who has lateral quickness and can jump to be a good interior defender. Duncan is probably one of the best interior defenders of the last 10-15 yrs and he has as much athletic ability as Memo. I'd say footwork and positioning are much more important than athletic ability on defense (this is why I think Gordo's a good defender). Another example would be Marc Gasol. Granted when you hear his name "defense" isn't the first word that comes to mind, but I bet you wouldn't complain if he were your starting center, as he does a decent enough job of clogging the lane and staying in front of his man.
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this.
 
margodydek said:
I'm not an advocate for Kanter (jury's still out on him), but I wouldn't go so far as to say you need a big guy who has lateral quickness and can jump to be a good interior defender. Duncan is probably one of the best interior defenders of the last 10-15 yrs and he has as much athletic ability as Memo. I'd say footwork and positioning are much more important than athletic ability on defense (this is why I think Gordo's a good defender). Another example would be Marc Gasol. Granted when you hear his name "defense" isn't the first word that comes to mind, but I bet you wouldn't complain if he were your starting center, as he does a decent enough job of clogging the lane and staying in front of his man.
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Size, effort, and fundamentals go a long way. And unlike athleticism, they only get better with age.
 
More and more mocks are putting Kanter at 3rd. He is a nice player, but we shouldn't waste our breath discussing him until we see if we get lucky with the ping pong balls.
 
BOX said:
Just a small piece, but they say marcus could go between 5 and 15

The Morris twins are among the most intriguing prospects I've seen in the draft. Later this week, ESPN will be running a column I wrote about the likely possibility of their being separated for the first time in their life and their deep desire to be drafted by the same team.

But for now, the focus is on their workout. So how did they look? In short -- really, really good.

For starters, I was floored by their ability to shoot the NBA 3. Typically, that's a major adjustment for draft prospects and, at this early stage, even good shooters are throwing up bricks as they adjust to the difference. But both Morris twins are stroking the ball effortlessly from the big boys' line. A combination of strength and picture-perfect shooting form gives them a great advantage in making the transition.

Other than shooting ability, there are a number of differences. I thought Marcus had quicker feet and was more explosive off the bounce than I saw at Kansas. He showed off a pretty impressive arsenal of skills for a 6-foot-9, 235-pound forward. He's clearly the more skilled and aggressive of the two players.
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Morris projects to be a pretty good shooter, but his length will kill him as a PF and limit him as a SF. He is a nice system player, but will never be a star, do we want to concede that on our 12 pick?
 
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