2011 draft.....
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billyshelby
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I got a little overexcited about the idea of getting Kanter and Biyombo. But in truth, I'm not wild about Kanter. It's just Biyombo at 12 is way too exciting to pass up.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
This. I really want Biyombo. If we can trade Kanter or Williams to someone in the 6-8 range, get Biyombo plus an unprotected 1st next year or something similar, I'd be stoked. A Biyombo/Burks/Unprotected 2012 1st from a ****** team would be sick.
Yea with all that film the Mailman still dropped to 13th. If you check there were several forgettable names chosen before him. Having more film does not ensure that you will pick the right player.
Yet Derrick Williams showed up with 10 percent body fat and so did Irving ( I know he was hurt but he did play in the NCAA so he has had 3 months to get into shape. In this draft you could ask who is anyone? All these guys have a lot to prove. Irving has only played 7 games in college. Derrick Williams wasn't even the most recruited player on his college team. If D. Williams can improve as much as he has why can't Kanter be improved since high school.
Knight struggle at the beginning of the year has played one year of college ball. Had a up and down tournament. He did make some tough shots in the tournament but still he has a lot to proven. Granted Kanter has no college experience but he was a top recruit and was a top international player throughout his age group. His own coach would pick him first.
Look I have no idea if Kanter is going to be a great player or a bust but in this draft is there really a sure thing. I am willing to gamble on Kanter if the Jazz feel he is the best player available.
NAOS
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Ok, my thoughts on this draft are starting to become clearer. The "homerun" guys in this draft are too few and too risky (this includes DWill2); if I'm KOC I'm gonna try to hit two "doubles". I want Knight AND Biyombo.
Use the asset(s) gained by trading down to get Knight (WASH or TOR) + a player (probably CJ) in order to move #12 up to around #8. I'm stubborn in my optimism that this is possible. I think these two players make us a better team next year and in the future.
I know, I know, this has been re-hashed, but you can quote me on this.
Use the asset(s) gained by trading down to get Knight (WASH or TOR) + a player (probably CJ) in order to move #12 up to around #8. I'm stubborn in my optimism that this is possible. I think these two players make us a better team next year and in the future.
I know, I know, this has been re-hashed, but you can quote me on this.
BENTLEY
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How accurate are these ceiling/basement comparisons from DX:
Kanter - "Kevin Love / Raja Araujo"
Valanciunas - "Biedrins meets Noah / Omer Asik"
Biyombo - "a 6' 9" version of Dwight Howard / Taj Gibson"
Givony still compares Kanter's ceiling to Love, which is favorable. But he gives him a much lower basement than the other two.
Valanciunas ceiling and basement are much closer than kanter's.
Biyombo's seems a little kool-aid drunk. What do you guys think? Isn't Taj offensively superior to Bismack?
Kanter - "Kevin Love / Raja Araujo"
Valanciunas - "Biedrins meets Noah / Omer Asik"
Biyombo - "a 6' 9" version of Dwight Howard / Taj Gibson"
Givony still compares Kanter's ceiling to Love, which is favorable. But he gives him a much lower basement than the other two.
Valanciunas ceiling and basement are much closer than kanter's.
Biyombo's seems a little kool-aid drunk. What do you guys think? Isn't Taj offensively superior to Bismack?
So am I. The Jazz are a lot more qualified than I am to make the call. My point was just that Kantar, maybe more than anyone else, had an incentive to get in the best shape possible. Without actual games or film to judge him on it was important to make an impression with his conditioning. And it worked; because lots of people were commenting on his conditioning and how great he looked. Irving and Williams were the consensus 1 and 2. Their body fat was high, but they weren’t going through any drills and the high body fat didn’t affect their draft standing. Kantar was largely an unknown; he couldn’t afford to come to Chicago fat and out of shape. Could he be improved? Sure, but he hasn’t played much since high school so what you see might be what you get. That doesn't mean he can't get better. Lots of guys have gone from being good, but not great, players in high school to the lottery. Alec Burks for example.
Look, you’re right, there are risks with every one of these guys and I have no problem with Kanter if the Jazz think he’s the guy. I’m just a little more nervous about him now than I was before the high school tapes showed up.
NAOS
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I'm still drinking the Biyombo punch. Serve me up another......
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Were you on the television show The Bachelor?
Well a 6'9 Dwight Howard is going to be much less effective than a (near) 7 foot Dwight Howard. Still good, but he near as dominant, so it's not that unrealistic.
Kanter's basement seems a bit unfair. I guess he is comparing how physically they are both very impressive, but maybe the ability/IQ to use it in game isn't there.
BENTLEY
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many have compared Kanter to Boozer and some others have compared him to a tougher version of Memo. maybe he's a combination of the two. I remember wishing I could smush Boozer and Memo into one player, but it's still incomplete. Neither one of them were good defenders (at least memo tried). We'd still need to squish a defensive player in there. Ugh. Oh if only I were Dr. Moreau. Frustrating.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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Ok the dr Moreau comment is disturbing
My2Cents, Thanks for you comments. I agree that Kanter is a risk and I am nervous about this draft. If the Jazz hit a home run the future of the franchise can be greatly changed. I am not against trading down if the Jazz are not that enamored with Kanter. I would be Ok with Knight/Biyombo if we move down.
Kanter should be able to rebound like Boozer. I think that's where the comparison must come from.
BTW, I'll bet Jordan Hamilton is pretty high on the Jazz's list at #12. He and Hayward would be two solid, versatile wings.
BTW, I'll bet Jordan Hamilton is pretty high on the Jazz's list at #12. He and Hayward would be two solid, versatile wings.
NAOS
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I like Hamilton. If the Jazz stay at 12 instead of going after Biyombo (my plan A), then Hamilton is in the top 3 of my choices here.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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This draft is driving me crazy. I've never seen a draft in which I've waffled on who I want. I haven't soured on Kanter, but now I want Knight and Burks. I just wish the draft would just happen already.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Not a bad analogy. Knight and Biyombo should both be productive players. Knight COULD develop into something special, or he could be just an effective starting PG, but a tier below the top guys. Jazz have a decent foundation in Favors, Jefferson, Hayward and Millsap. Harris is a pretty PG as well - certainly can be the starter while Knight develops. Making two trades involving lottery picks is highly unlikely. I don't think there's that much interest in teams moving up to #3 (or higher). Kanter just isn't viewed as that much of a prize. And if he were, KOC would draft him.
Gut feeling is KOC will draft Knight at #3 and then Burks or a SF at #12.