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UGLI baby said:
You know it's been decided and Biff 12 got left out, right?
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Nope. I don't pay attention to it. Just think it's weird how you guys rationalize things.

OSU being a much larger market probably is more relevant than how many Div 2 teams TCU played.

You guys hate on Cy for preaching that SEC conference gospel and then use that type of thinking to determine who you think is the better team? Big 10 > Big 12 therefore OSU > TCU? The worst team OSU played is better than the worst team TCU played so therefore OSU > TCU? Weird way to think imo. I simply think the committee selected OSU because they believe them to be a superior team.
 
LazyD said:
Okay....

You guys clearly aren't following what I'm trying to say. I am not discussing schedule strength, I am saying the committee will pick who they believe to be the best teams. You know, like what they're supposed to do. How did Wichita St. get a one seed last year? Their schedule strength wasn't as good as most teams seeded below them. How did Utah get to play Alabama in that BCS bowl a while back? Was it their rigorous Mountain West schedule?

Y'all assume having the strongest schedule means that that team is better?

If you are so concerned w/ strength of schedule, you should compare TCU's to Ohio State. I haven't looked, but I'd guess TCU's is rated tougher.
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Ohio State is the perfect example of why the Big 12 not having a title game cost them. Last week, Ohio State was not one of the final 4. Fast forward 1 week ahead in which OSU trounced a highly ranked conference opponent in their title game and they leap frog a Big 12 school that was playing Iowa State. If you're not seeing the dynamic that the conference title game introduces and how it obviously resonates with the committee, I can't help y'all.
 
LazyD said:
Lol you didn't even take a complete sentence and even cut out 'strength' from the term 'schedule strength'

Burks burks Burks Burks Burks Burks burks
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You said you were not talking about schedules.

But in your post I quoted you talked about scheduling teams like kent state

Seemed odd.
No big deal though.
 
And by the way lazy..... of course talking about schedules should be part of the discussion

If not then marshall should have a shot at the playoffs
 
The Thriller said:
I'll bring this up since we are all thinking about it... I think BYU is going to be given a chance to join in the next 2 years. Whether or not they pull the trigger remains to be seen. I think many involved in the athletic programs would bend on BYU TV to join a conference. Bronco has made his opinion on getting into a conference clear. But I'm not sure if those above him feel so strongly.

Interesting times.

I hope for the sake of sports in this state that BYU joins the Big 12. How great would it be to have USC play up at Rice and Texas play down in Provo? Huge for fans, restaurants and other local businesses, and great for the overall perception of our state.
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I think the Big 12 expands but I think BYU overplayed their hand a couple of years ago and this time around the Big 12 will tell them "thanks, but no thanks". They could snag the likes of Boise and Colorado State and not even have to worry about dealing with Sunday play or whether or not BYU will "bend" on BYUtv. Seriously, why is it worth it to the Big 12 to deal with those headaches? BYU is not their only option.
 
fishonjazz said:
You said you were not talking about schedules.

But in your post I quoted you talked about scheduling teams like kent state

Seemed odd.
No big deal though.
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I said I wasn't talking about 'schedule strength' in a post that was a different one than the one you quoted which discusses schedule construction.

Not a big deal doe
 
fishonjazz said:
And by the way lazy..... of course talking about schedules should be part of the discussion

If not then marshall should have a shot at the playoffs
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If Marshall was a better team they'd have a shot.

Clearly, you guys can't understand what I'm saying. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with you, just trying to get you to view things from a more general perspective.
 
LazyD said:
If Marshall was a better team they'd have a shot.

Clearly, you guys can't understand what I'm saying. I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing with you, just trying to get you to view things from a more general perspective.
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I see your perspective (just look and know how a good team is somehow)
But I think schedule strength is important.
 
@lazy, sorry if it seems like im trolling you or giving you a hard time

I actually think we kind of agree on the whole conference championship thing.

I would have put tcu in over ohio state despite ohio state winning a conference championship game (though after the WAY ohio state won, I would probably put them in..... if it was not such a blowout win then I would have tcu ahead of osu)

I would put put tcu in over florida state too. I don't think they are that good.

But here is the thing..... it doesn't matter what you, me, ugli, or anyone else would do. It only matters what the committee does. And they have clearly stated, and shown, that conference championship games weigh more heavily in their decisions than almost anything else.


As for your comment about marshall just needing to be a better team to get in the discussion..... I don't agree with that at all.
I think they could go undefeated and win every game by 60+ points and they still would not get in.
 
fishonjazz said:
I see your perspective (just look and know how a good team is somehow)
But I think schedule strength is important.
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No, you don't. My POV is that the committee picks who they believe to be the best four teams. This POV has been mocked and the more popular POV that winning a conference championship game is a prerequisite for participating in the playoff has been supported.
 
jazzman12 said:
I think the Big 12 expands but I think BYU overplayed their hand a couple of years ago and this time around the Big 12 will tell them "thanks, but no thanks". They could snag the likes of Boise and Colorado State and not even have to worry about dealing with Sunday play or whether or not BYU will "bend" on BYUtv. Seriously, why is it worth it to the Big 12 to deal with those headaches? BYU is not their only option.
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Colorado State just lost their head coach. They'll now go back to being even more irrelevant than ever before.
You may be right about BYU overplaying their hand last time around. But I don't think so (maybe that's my homerism). BYU is the only team not tied to a conference (they won't have to pay a huge exit fee) looking to get into a conference.
 
LazyD said:
No, you don't. My POV is that the committee picks who they believe to be the best four teams. This POV has been mocked and the more popular POV that winning a conference championship game is a prerequisite for participating in the playoff has been supported.
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fishonjazz said:
@lazy, sorry if it seems like im trolling you or giving you a hard time

I actually think we kind of agree on the whole conference championship thing.

I would have put tcu in over ohio state despite ohio state winning a conference championship game (though after the WAY ohio state won, I would probably put them in..... if it was not such a blowout win then I would have tcu ahead of osu)

I would put put tcu in over florida state too. I don't think they are that good.

But here is the thing..... it doesn't matter what you, me, ugli, or anyone else would do. It only matters what the committee does. And they have clearly stated, and shown, that conference championship games weigh more heavily in their decisions than almost anything else.


As for your comment about marshall just needing to be a better team to get in the discussion..... I don't agree with that at all.
I think they could go undefeated and win every game by 60+ points and they still would not get in.
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fishonjazz said:
@lazy, sorry if it seems like im trolling you or giving you a hard time

I actually think we kind of agree on the whole conference championship thing.

I would have put tcu in over ohio state despite ohio state winning a conference championship game (though after the WAY ohio state won, I would probably put them in..... if it was not such a blowout win then I would have tcu ahead of osu)

I would put put tcu in over florida state too. I don't think they are that good.

But here is the thing..... it doesn't matter what you, me, ugli, or anyone else would do. It only matters what the committee does. And they have clearly stated, and shown, that conference championship games weigh more heavily in their decisions than almost anything else.


As for your comment about marshall just needing to be a better team to get in the discussion..... I don't agree with that at all.
I think they could go undefeated and win every game by 60+ points and they still would not get in.
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If Marshall was one of the best 4 teams they'd have to be in, in theory, at least. So you don't think the committee follows their guidelines of selecting the four best teams? That's interesting.
 
LazyD said:
If Marshall was one of the best 4 teams they'd have to be in, in theory, at least. So you don't think the committee follows their guidelines of selecting the four best teams? That's interesting.
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I think things go into how they determine those 4 best teams.
I think strength of schedule and conference championships weigh extremely heavily in thier determining the 4 best teams.

Therefore, I think it is impossible for a team like marshall to get in.
 
I'm not arguing for or against OSU or TCU. I'm saying the committee picks the teams because they think those are the best four teams. Not because one played in a conference championship game and the other didn't. I'm not disagreeing with the selections at all. You guys just make faulty inferences on what people post. It's rather common. Not a big deal. Not everyone is destined to get a good score on the reading comprehension portion of the LSAT
 
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