2017-2018 Jazz salaries, cap/LT details

[franklin]

Let me start off by saying the cap and LT are 101M and 121M.

Hayward (30.6M--if he can't get the DPV extension, opts out, and gets the max--this is what I expect to happen)
Gobert (21.224M)
Favors (12M) (It's 11.75M really but has 250K in likely incentives)
Johnson (10.505M)
Exum (4.992M)
Hood (2.386M)
Neto (1.471M)
Bolomboy (1.312M)
24th pick (1.316M)
30th pick (1.162M)

That's 86.968M for 10 guys. Let's say Ingles and Hill come back starting at 11M and 24M respectively. That puts us at 121.968M for 12 guys, just beyond the LT. Add in perhaps one 2nd round pick and a vet on the minimum (Bogut?) and we would only be a few million over the LT and I think the Millers would pay that.

The financial issues would then come in 18-19. More to come on that with salary specifics.

How many times does it need to be repeated that LHM Co. has categorically stated they are completely unwilling to go into luxury tax?

 

[infection]

How many times does it need to be repeated that LHM Co. has categorically stated they are completely unwilling to go into luxury tax?

I'm sure you could link that for us, and disregard when we've done it previously.

 

[infection]

I think the Knicks would like to offload Carmelo and wouldn't ask for too much, but that seems like an odd fit.

Take us back down to a 40 win team.

 

[franklin]

I'm sure you could link that for us, and disregard when we've done it previously.

Too many lazy "fans". Maybe CP3 was right about the fanbase.

 

[Jazz4ever]

The issue is that once the Jazz sign Hayward, our cap is gone. We can re-sign George Hill since we have his bird rights, but if Hill balks, we're screwed. We'd have less of a team than last year.

And they know this as well, you have to think they'll be a little colluding going on between them.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think the Knicks would like to offload Carmelo and wouldn't ask for too much, but that seems like an odd fit.

He has a no trade clause... Doubt he's waiving it to come here.

 

[colton]

Let me start off by saying the cap and LT are 101M and 121M.

Hayward (30.6M--if he can't get the DPV extension, opts out, and gets the max--this is what I expect to happen)
Gobert (21.224M)
Favors (12M) (It's 11.75M really but has 250K in likely incentives)
Johnson (10.505M)
Exum (4.992M)
Hood (2.386M)
Neto (1.471M)
Bolomboy (1.312M)
24th pick (1.316M)
30th pick (1.162M)

That's 86.968M for 10 guys. Let's say Ingles and Hill come back starting at 11M and 24M respectively. That puts us at 121.968M for 12 guys, just beyond the LT. Add in perhaps one 2nd round pick and a vet on the minimum (Bogut?) and we would only be a few million over the LT and I think the Millers would pay that.

The financial issues would then come in 18-19. More to come on that with salary specifics.

Thanks for the numbers, but I think 24M is too much for Hill. I think his market value will be below 20M. Same thing with Ingles, I think his market value will be below 10M.

 

[colton]

The issue is that once the Jazz sign Hayward, our cap is gone. We can re-sign George Hill since we have his bird rights, but if Hill balks, we're screwed. We'd have less of a team than last year.

Or as Locke pointed out this morning, the Jazz could use their cap space and Boris Diaw (and possibly other assets) to trade for a different PG prior to Jul 1. And give up on Hill completely. That way you'd at least have a good PG locked in when Hayward has to make his decision.

 

[Miggs]

And they know this as well, you have to think they'll be a little colluding going on between them.

Assuming Hill does care about winning, how many solid teams even need a point guard?

Boston-Thomas
Cleveland-Irving
Toronto-? Can't see it.
Washington-Wall
Atlanta-Schröder
Milwaukee-Giannis
Indiana-gonna go back?
Chicago-Here? Really????
Miami-Dragic

I just don't see him going to any of those "top" teams in the East.

Dubs-Curry
Spurs-Here's a legit one.
Houston-Beverley/Harden
Clips-? Can't see it.
Us-?
OKC-Westbrook
Memphis-Conley
Portland-Lillard
Denver-? Def can't see it.

The only team other than us that makes sense to me here is the Spurs. Does he go back to the team who traded him? With Pops so close to retirement? Do they even want him or might they prefer to to just reup Mills and stay younger and cheaper?

Can we offer Hill a five year deal or no? Rather than 4 for 100, could we go 5 for 105/110?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Or as Locke pointed out this morning, the Jazz could use their cap space and Boris Diaw (and possibly other assets) to trade for a different PG prior to Jul 1. And give up on Hill completely. That way you'd at least have a good PG locked in when Hayward has to make his decision.

True, if there's a real upgrade at the 1, or on a better deal structure, it could be worthwhile. There might be one or two PGs who are worth it -- Dragic, Bledsoe, ??

The goal would be to come back next season with Hayward, Hill and an upgrade at another position.

The Clippers are a team that's in a quandry. I think they'd move Redick to give them some financial operating room to make another move. We might be able to get him for a pick and financial relief. (I think it would be a mistake on the Clippers' part, but whatever).

I'm sure the Kings would give us Rudy Gay for a pick at this point. He'll opt-out otherwise. Not sure what he's worth.

Detroit needs to blow things up. I wonder if they'd give us Tobias Harris for relief and a couple picks.

Orlando is ready to move a couple contracts, though they're not under much financial pressure. They might move Vucevic.

And so on...


This would be like last year, where a deal is decided by the draft and gets consummated in July.

 

[colton]

Can we offer Hill a five year deal or no? Rather than 4 for 100, could we go 5 for 105/110?

Would you want to do a five year deal for a PG of his age? He'd be 36 at the end of it. I'm thinking no.

I'd probably max at around 4 for 80M myself, and would try hard for 4 for 70M.

 

[colton]

This would be like last year, where a deal is decided by the draft and gets consummated in July.

I don't think so. If I understand things correctly after Jul 1 the Jazz will be considered to be above the cap (due to cap holds), and that makes trade possibilities much more limited because the salaries have to not be too far apart.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Okay, this is going to get a little crazy and probably unrealistic. It also might show how little I know about the cap but here is my pipe dream for a championship:

If we waive Diaw and trade Burks before FA begins then what could we get the cap down to before trying to re-sign Hayward? It seems to me it would be around 72m with Haywards cap hold of 16m?

If it was at 72 million then we could sign another big FA (around 29 million available) before trying retaining Hayward, Hill and/or Ingles. Although I am not cap expert. I assume we could clear up more room if we really needed to by trading other player.

This would take taking to Hayward and the others and telling them we want to retain them but need to use our cap space to sign such and such player first.

We could trade Favors, Hood and maybe 2 late first round picks for Paul George. Then we could waive Diaw and dump burks to a team with room to absorb him. If we had to we could give away a late first. Then we could have space to go after Lowry, Griffin, CP3, Gallo, Millsap or someone else. Then we retain Hayward. Then we would have to fill out the roster with low end FAs/Picks. This all seems very unlikely but a possibility.

We could have this Roster:

Exum, Dwill, Neto
Paul George, Draft Pick/FA/Exum
Hayward/JJ/FA/Pick
Blake Griffin/Lyles/Bolmoby
Gobert/FA/Draft Pick

That roster is ~110m and I think competes for a title. I think that roster or some variation of it swapping PG for Butler or someone else and swapping Griffin for Lowry/CP3 or someone else could beat the Warriors even if they retain Durant.

The big if is the trade and convincing a FA to come here. If we some how traded for Paul George during the draft on June 22nd and made the other trades. I think come July 1st we could convince a big name player to join Gobert and Paul George and easily get Hayward to re-sign to that team. That would give us a big 4.

Too unrealistic? Nah we could pull off some crazy moves if the FO wants to really go all out and try. The big problem could be trading for Paul George and then no FA signs. Then PG leaves the next year. Even worse if Hayward doesnt re-sign for some reason. Although I dont think you make this kind of move without some sort of wink wink with Hayward. I think the Franchise could go the safe route and maybe break through or at least be a really good team but they could swing for the fences next season.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Regarding Hill, he's going to take the biggest contract regardless of winning. The rumor was that Brooklyn was going to make him a big offer. They need talent anyway they can get it.

The Jazz could offer Hill a lot, maybe even max, but I don't think they will. It's a bad contract.

I'm not sure what the Spurs are willing to offer him. I doubt it's a max deal. His injury issues are going to scare a number of teams. I really think his market has cooled.

 

[Miggs]

Regarding Hill, he's going to take the biggest contract regardless of winning. The rumor was that Brooklyn was going to make him a big offer. They need talent anyway they can get it.

The Jazz could offer Hill a lot, maybe even max, but I don't think they will. It's a bad contract.

I'm not sure what the Spurs are willing to offer him. I doubt it's a max deal. His injury issues are going to scare a number of teams. I really think his market has cooled.

The Nets spent a lot of money on older players and that killed them. I see them trying to build with younger guys now and not dumping a ton on Hill. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

my thoughts if hill wants more then 20 million a year the Jazz walk away. Let him sign with brooklyn. 4 year 80 million nothing more.

Ingles same thing with 10 million. If he can get more some where else go for it but this offense fits him perfectly and to develop the comfort he has with hayward with another player takes time.

I think Hayward will be one of the last players signed this summer just because they will want to get other players in before his numbers kill the Jazz cap.

I agree that if diaw is back it will be on a min vet contract. that is all he is going to get any where.

Looking at a big trade partner -

I would love to work out a deal that brought in Kevin Love but that would mean moving Favors and that just hearts my heart but Love would be amazing next to gobert.

There is a chance of making a salary move to help Portland. not sure what they are willing to give up

Reggie jackson i am sure is available from the piston but awful fit here.

Clippers are in need of a blow up and rebuild but balmer might try to keep the team together.

Milwaukee might need to shed some salary a little

OKC is looking to trade Kanter LMAO

Charlotte has a few mid range salaries they might part with namely Cody Zeller

Orlando has Fournier (Goberts good friend they played in france together) He is 17 mil

 

[Jazz4ever]

Regarding Hill, he's going to take the biggest contract regardless of winning. The rumor was that Brooklyn was going to make him a big offer. They need talent anyway they can get it.

The Jazz could offer Hill a lot, maybe even max, but I don't think they will. It's a bad contract.

I'm not sure what the Spurs are willing to offer him. I doubt it's a max deal. His injury issues are going to scare a number of teams. I really think his market has cooled.

Every player cares about winning to some extent. Losing effects your quality of life. It would take the absolute max to get him to go to Brooklyn, with no real close competing bids.

 

[Ron Mexico]

The Nets spent a lot of money on older players and that killed them. I see them trying to build with younger guys now and not dumping a ton on Hill. Maybe I'm wrong.

I could still see 76ers going after him. They need a solid vet and they need to spend some cap. I think Hill and some health luck could get them into the playoffs next year with a really young team still.

Nets just need anything. They have no reason not to try and win as much as they can for the fans. Their draft picks are bleak and they have no real young talent.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I could still see 76ers going after him. They need a solid vet and they need to spend some cap. I think Hill and some health luck could get them into the playoffs next year with a really young team still.

Nets just need anything. They have no reason not to try and win as much as they can for the fans. Their draft picks are bleak and they have no real young talent.

Sacramento, Philly, and Brooklyn are the max threats (or close to it). Hill's market starts at 4/80 I hope we get him in between 80-90. Anything from 90-100 makes me squimish but would talk myself into it... 100-130 we may have to let him go.

Sacramento is generally not smart with their space and I could absolutely see them investing in Hill for culture reasons. Hoping Philly gets Lowry... I don't think Brooklyn offers him max. They have Lin who choose them at an okayish price. They offered one or two year deals to guys like Booker. I think the salary dump market picks up again and they would be wise to use their space to acquire picks and build to the future, which will be an option with a few teams that have undesirable contracts.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I could still see 76ers going after him. They need a solid vet and they need to spend some cap. I think Hill and some health luck could get them into the playoffs next year with a really young team still.

Nets just need anything. They have no reason not to try and win as much as they can for the fans. Their draft picks are bleak and they have no real young talent.

I don't think Philly offers the max though... they will need to pay Embiid soon and have some good young players that will need extensions... maxing Hill may not be wise. It is doable but I bet they don't go crazy.