2017-2018 Jazz salaries, cap/LT details

[Miggs]

AB and the 42 pick for Killpatrick would be a solid deal for both sides... they gamble on AB and get another draft asset.

I think Lyles still has some value... if he doesn't he does not make much more than the minimum so we shouldn't trade him for nothing.

Why would Brooklyn do this? Kill is healthy and played well. Never happen.

 

[colton]

If he plays 70ish games a year he's worth every penny of 20-25 per year.

Yeah, that's a big if. Which is why imo he's not worth that much. You have to factor in the risk.

 

[infection]

DeMarre Carroll? Or does he make to much?


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You could take him but it would cost you Ingles.

 

[fishonjazz]

DeMarre Carroll? Or does he make to much?


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Haven't checked his stats in a while but last time I did they sucked.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You could take him but it would cost you Ingles.

Not necessarily. You trade them Favors for Carroll and their first round pick and waive Diaw, you probably have enough for Ingles.

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[infection]

Not necessarily. You trade them Favors for Carroll and their first round pick and waive Diaw, you probably have enough for Ingles.

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Well, yeah, you could do that, but I'd view that as an even worse option than losing Ingles.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Well, yeah, you could do that, but I'd view that as an even worse option than losing Ingles.

Why?

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[fishonjazz]

fwiw this season carroll averaged 26 minutes per game, 9 points, 1 assist, 4 rebounds and shot 40% from the field and 34% from 3.

He is currently 30 years old and making about 44 million over the next 3 years.

In the playoffs this year he averaged 15 minutes per game, 4 points, 0.5 assists, and 2.7 rebounds on 40% shooting from the field and 32% from 3.

Rather have hood, ingles, hayward, JJ, Exum, and burks getting all the wing minutes than carroll.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

fwiw this season carroll averaged 26 minutes per game, 9 points, 1 assist, 4 rebounds and shot 40% from the field and 34% from 3.

He is currently 30 years old and making about 44 million over the next 3 years.

In the playoffs this year he averaged 15 minutes per game, 4 points, 0.5 assists, and 2.7 rebounds on 40% shooting from the field and 32% from 3.

Rather have hood, ingles, hayward, JJ, Exum, and burks getting all the wing minutes than carroll.

He has two years left on his contract man...

Carroll can still guard and shoot. He has been bad offensively partially because Toronto has a terrible system

Carroll would be a good player to have against the Warriors. Big body you can put on Klay, KD, or Dray. He can can play the 3 and 4.


And the key here is the Jazz would get the 23rd pick in a loaded draft, positioning themselves even better to trade up or make another deal. The deal isnt for Carroll, it's just getting value out of Favors expiring contract. Being able to potentially revive Carroll because he has proven success w/ Snyder and ball movement systems is a potential plus.
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[Cappy_Smurf]

We operated 14M under the cap this year... $9M in luxury tax shouldn't be a problem if we want to compete.

Wait, so am I correct in assuming you believe Millers will pay the tax? I thought you were pretty adamant that they were too cheap?

Also, I believe the Millers will avoid the tax for one more year, even if it means getting slightly under at the trade deadline. Very few teams are willing to pay the repeater tax, and putting it off for a year would be significant in our comepetive window.

It would be really interesting to me if Utah did end up paying the repeater tax. At least it would kill all the Cheap Millers comments.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Regarding Hill, he's going to take the biggest contract regardless of winning.

This is just mis-information. Many fans assume this, although Hill just decided to keep his options open, because at that point, you never know. Utah could very well end up signing him to a similar contract they offered in the first place. just remember, when you assume, you make an *** out of u and me.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I don't think Hayward's cap hold is 16 million. I think it's in the mid 20s.

You're wrong.

Nope. Hayward's salary toward's the cap is 16 million, ONLY if he opts-in(not likely)

If he opts out(likely), his cap hold is about 24 million.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Wait, so am I correct in assuming you believe Millers will pay the tax? I thought you were pretty adamant that they were too cheap?

Also, I believe the Millers will avoid the tax for one more year, even if it means getting slightly under at the trade deadline. Very few teams are willing to pay the repeater tax, and putting it off for a year would be significant in our comepetive window.

It would be really interesting to me if Utah did end up paying the repeater tax. At least it would kill all the Cheap Millers comments.

The interesting thing about the Jazz/Millers is that because of the legacy trust thing, no one can profit off the Jazz. Any profit the Jazz made this year (there has to be a pretty decent amount because of how little we paid in contracts) will go towards a fund that is used to pay for Jazz operations. So there is no incentive for the Millers to be cheap unless the Jazz are costing them a lot of money. It's not like they can use it as a means for an income.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I don't think Hayward's cap hold is 16 million. I think it's in the mid 20s.

The interesting thing about the Jazz/Millers is that because of the legacy trust thing, no one can profit off the Jazz. Any profit the Jazz made this year (there has to be a pretty decent amount because of how little we paid in contracts) will go towards a fund that is used to pay for Jazz operations. So there is no incentive for the Millers to be cheap unless the Jazz are costing them a lot of money. It's not like they can use it as a means for an income.

Link?

Not saying you are wrong, but this arrangement is really complicated. In other words, I think you might be wrong about the fact no one can profit from the Jazz. IMO, they will continue to profit from the Jazz operating as a team in the NBA, but that NOBODY can profit from selling the team. Not completely sure, but I think you might be confusing the two.

If I am wrong, I apologize.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

This is just mis-information. Many fans assume this, although Hill just decided to keep his options open, because at that point, you never know. Utah could very well end up signing him to a similar contract they offered in the first place. just remember, when you assume, you make an *** out of u and me.

Hill turned down the Jazz's $80M extension offer because his agent said he could get a full max on the open market. If Hill's market has cooled now and he's willing to accept the same deal with the Jazz, then so be it. But clearly, he was holding out to see if he could get more money.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Link?

Not saying you are wrong, but this arrangement is really complicated. In other words, I think you are wrong about the fact no one can profit from the Jazz. IMO, they will continue to profit from the Jazz operating as a team in the NBA, but that NOBODY can profit from selling the team. Not completely sure, but I think you might be confusing the two.

I have no link, but it was discussed in some pod by some Jazz media members. I'm 100% positive on this. Any profit the Jazz make in a year goes to a fund to pay for Jazz team operating expenses in the future. Or at least I'm pretty sure, idk, maybe Im remembering it wrong.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Actually I'm right, I found an article detailing the details.

2. The trust agreement provides for the profits to stay within the trust. Gail has stated the trust will not provide any "material benefit to the family from the Jazz." There have been some that have wondered how this is possible despite the obvious fact that Gail’s heirs are the beneficiary of the trust.

Again, we go to Dennis Haslam, “The profit stays within the trust. The profit that stays within the trust will be used as retained earnings, for expansion, for player salaries, or other operations. There could be a time period where the Jazz aren't profitable, so we'll stockpile cash. This trust will be well-supported financially, and will be able to survive into the future for generations and generations." From this statement, it appears that the trust agreement provides that the earnings of the Jazz are to be reinvested in the team, and since it is a provision of the trust, the trustee has to follow its directions in administering the trust.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Actually I'm right, I found an article detailing the details.

That article doesn't prove what you were saying.

However, I think the Jist is accurate. Gail made sure that her children wouldn't profit by selling the team, and that had a lot to do with avoiding taxes.

I don't believe the multiple owners won't profit from continued ownership. That makes no sense and doesn't serve her purpose of keeping the team in Utah.


THE BIGGEST AND MOST SIGNIFICANT DETAIL, is that her children CANNOT profit from selling the team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That article doesn't prove what you were saying.

However, I think the Jist is accurate. Gail made sure that her children wouldn't profit by selling the team, and that had a lot to do with avoiding taxes.

I don't believe the multiple owners won't profit from continued ownership. That makes no sense and doesn't serve her purpose of keeping the team in Utah.


THE BIGGEST AND MOST SIGNIFICANT DETAIL, is that her children CANNOT profit from selling the team.

yes it does. Can you read?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The purpose of keeping it in Utah is it makes the Millers look good and helps advertise their business ventures. They also have several family members who work for the Utah Jazz.

The writing is clear though. No profits made by the Utah Jazz will go to the owners. They enter a trust to be used for Jazz operating expenses when needed. It's what I said word for word.