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2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

LoPo said:
I have major reservations about Love's contract, but there is one thing that must be pointed out. The salary cap spikes $7 million this summer and another $9 million for the 2020-21 season. The luxury tax is going up to $134 for next season and a ridiculous $143 for 2020-21. So in many ways, Love's $30 million deal starting the 2020-21 season isn't that much different than Favors' $17 million deal signed last summer.

With regards to Love, I ask two main questions:

#1 - Is he our missing piece? If yes or even maybe, we have to consider it.

#2 - If the answer to #1 is yes, will our ownership pay to keep and even build around a roster that includes his contract?
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It's much different as Favors is a 1+1 team-controlled which a large reason he got $17 million per. Like he probably would have taken less per year for a longer deal. Love's deal is what $30+ million per for the next FOUR years (not even counting this year)? This is the most important time to be smart with the cap (Don rookie deal).

Aside from contract, no I don't think he's the missing piece for glaring reasons like health and defensive liabilities. As we have seen the past few years, the NBA elite teams force you to switch which essentially makes your defense as good as your worst defender in the half court. Love could very well get played off the court in playoff series, especially aging Love.
 
MDAV28 said:
It's much different as Favors is a 1+1 team-controlled which a large reason he got $17 million per. Like he probably would have taken less per year for a longer deal. Love's deal is what $30+ million per for the next FOUR years (not even counting this year)? This is the most important time to be smart with the cap (Don rookie deal).

Aside from contract, no I don't think he's the missing piece for glaring reasons like health and defensive liabilities. As we have seen the past few years, the NBA elite teams force you to switch which essentially makes your defense as good as your worst defender in the half court. Love could very well get played off the court in playoff series, especially aging Love.
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I was just talking about the financial impact on the roster for the life of the contract. Favors at $17+ next year isn't that much different than Love at $28. Now of course after that, Love still has 3 years and $90 million.

I agree with you about fit. Much of my discussion here is being devil's advocate. I can see why DL might trade for Love but I could also see the reasons why he shouldn't.
 
jjscap said:
[ ] Mitchell has reached his prime.
[ ] Gobert has reached his prime.

Both are no. In the meantime GSW has 5 all-stars. Our current squad gives them trouble but it's not realistic to expect to eliminate them on a 7 game series.
This Utah team needs offensive talent asap but they need to be meticulous and patient about their next move.
In the meantime there's no harm in being alert and proactive to make a deal with a poorly managed team from East.

Woj mentioned some teams from Western Conference are looking to acquire Otto Porter. Windhorst then said these are SAC and UTA.
OPJ looks overpaid but I can see why Utah has been interested in him since a while. Spuresque high IQ player that should flourish when given a bigger role and fit well alongside DM and Rudy. Can he be that guy? That's the golden question.
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Great post. I just can't wrap my head around OP Jr being worth the risk of giving up the opportunity to land FAs. I realize the reluctance to put our eggs in that basket considering our market and history, but the OPJr deal taking you out of 2019 FA for sure and makes 2020 really tough to generate a max-level spot.
 
I know y'all think I'm crazy, but I really think we should be going after Justise Winslow. Even if we have to send a couple picks and take back somebody like Olynyk and even find other ways to clear off some salary for them, I think it's worth it. Miami is a financial mess and they are a very average team. Dragic is coming back soon which means Winslow will get less touches. His value is at an all time high and the team is still pretty awful. We would have to make it worth it for Miami, but I think we can.

Olynyk is one of those contracts Miami would absolutely love to shed since they want to be players in free agency in 2020. He's not even playing right now but I think he could fit in well here. https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/...days-boston/3EaizT3jEji1g18TIKHwLL/story.html

Winslow is on a ridiculous bargain deal after this year ($13 per year). He's only 22 so he fits the long term timeline next to Donovan and Gobert. Winslow and Olynyk together make what Porter would make the next two years.
 
Just an idea...

Charlotte gets Waiters and Favors
Heat get Biyombo, Kaminsky, Monk and Utah 2019 1st
Utah gets Winslow and Olynyk
https://tradenba.com/players?tid=29&tid=4&tid=16

Why for Charlotte - they get better to build around Kemba. They might even send minor picks to Miami too since they get a SG in Waiters and a good big in Favors.

Why for Heat - they don't like losing Winslow, but dumping the 2 years left on both Waiters and Olynyk intrigues them. Monk and Kaminsky are also guys who could fit while they shoot for 2020 free agency. A 1st rounder plus the cap relief plus Monk makes it worth it.

Why for Utah - we get Winslow and a useful Olynyk.
 
I think I’d need at least one unprotected pick to take on the Love contract. In addition to age, injury, and contract length you have the fact that he might not have the extra gear and might be the spot up four man that sucks on defense but rebounds well... like I don’t think Minnesota Kevin Love is coming back and I think it may have been stat padding on a bad team.

He’s good but way too many red flags and a ton of risk. There is more value attached because of his name imo. Go get Carmelo for free if we need a “superstar”.
 
MDAV28 said:
Great post. I just can't wrap my head around OP Jr being worth the risk of giving up the opportunity to land FAs. I realize the reluctance to put our eggs in that basket considering our market and history, but the OPJr deal taking you out of 2019 FA for sure and makes 2020 really tough to generate a max-level spot.
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I like the op Jr idea... right time frame... two way player and there may be more to him. He’s played with Wall his whole career... guy does nothing when he doesn’t have the ball and playing with a guy that controls the ball so much but doesn’t help offball may have stunted what he could become.

Someone pointed to his college assist numbers as a sign there is more there they haven’t uncovered. I think he can be the combo forward we’ve wanted and at very least is a really solid player to add to our dynamic guys. Advanced on/off numbers have always loved him... there is still some mystery there imo.
 
I think we only make the big trade for OP jr., Harris, Middleton (zero chance he is available), maybe Barnes or Niko.

Otherwise we make maybe a move around the fringes that doesn’t compromise cap space.

I still wonder if Atlanta would do a straight Prince for our first round pick... probably light on our end but I’m not sure how many first are out there.
 
For example Otto without John Wall this month has been 17 pts. 6 rebs. 1.5 assists in 27 minutes per game. 9 game sample so not huge but not tiny either.

TS% of 58.1 Net plus minus rating per 100 of +13.5 USG of 24 instead of his normal 16 this season.

If he had a good coach and team structure that empowered him he might be like a 19-20 point per game guy on great efficiency and a good defender. Also entering his prime.

I'd been reluctant to throw a first with Favs and cap fodder, but I think I'd do it at this point.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Nows the time to go after BJelly. He seems to be in the doghouse, with minutes going down each game. I think he could be had for really cheap
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Not sure... dealing with that front office is likely exhausting but I’d place a call.

His production has fallen off so it might be that he deserves to be in the doghouse.

Thabo and a second for Bjelly?
 
It's too bad Trey Lyles was a puke and burned bridges here... think he could be had for cheap and could get more pt here.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
For example Otto without John Wall this month has been 17 pts. 6 rebs. 1.5 assists in 27 minutes per game. 9 game sample so not huge but not tiny either.

TS% of 58.1 Net plus minus rating per 100 of +13.5 USG of 24 instead of his normal 16 this season.

If he had a good coach and team structure that empowered him he might be like a 19-20 point per game guy on great efficiency and a good defender. Also entering his prime.

I'd been reluctant to throw a first with Favs and cap fodder, but I think I'd do it at this point.
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Seriously? Firsts can suck it. Of course you throw in a first if you can acquire a good young player in a position of need.
 
Alfalfa said:
Seriously? Firsts can suck it. Of course you throw in a first if you can acquire a good young player in a position of need.
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Yeah... I think the stint without wall is important though. I wasn't sure if Otto had regressed or was just over it... it appears he was kind of over it.

I think the Wiz are more likely to sell a first for a win-now piece and Bryant stepping up has kind of cooled their need for a big. I highly doubt Otto is or will become available at a price we'd pay.
 
LoPo said:
If Porter does become available, a 1st will be necessary. Sacramento, New Orleans, and Dallas among others will be competing for him.

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Sacramento and Dallas can't offer a 2019 or 2020 first, but I agree. NO is the team to watch there. Niko/Hill and a pick might be viewed as a win-now, but alleviate some cap issues deal. IDK... I just think they don't do anything big.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah... I think the stint without wall is important though. I wasn't sure if Otto had regressed or was just over it... it appears he was kind of over it.

I think the Wiz are more likely to sell a first for a win-now piece and Bryant stepping up has kind of cooled their need for a big. I highly doubt Otto is or will become available at a price we'd pay.
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The Wizard are pretty bad, and are way more than one average starter away from being in win-now mode. I don't know their management, but I assume they're rational people who don't want their ceiling to be a first round exit. I bet they try to blow it up. They can get good assets for Beal, and use whatever they get from OPJr to offload Wall.
 
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