2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[fishonjazz]

But what about Blake Griffin?

Anyone see that postgame clip yesterday. He obviously wants to be on a team that takes winning more seriously. And talk about your 25+PPG threat, and the fit is great.

Would LOVE to get Griffin. Probably over all the other guys discussed.

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[Kyoto]

That's a good point. I don't like it, but a good point nonetheless

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So, play ingles at the 4?

 

[Jack Strop]

Was going to post something similar to LoPo. Clearing cap space for a 2nd tier FA like Tobias (and he's my target - with Klay, erc. being unrealistic), requires renouncing Favs, Rubio and others. Then the Jazz don't even have the full MLE to fill out the roster. I think they'd have the smaller exception which is what, around $4.5M? That's not much to find a backup 5 and a PG.

I think the play here is to try to make a trade with Favors and the draft pick. Then the Jazz could still keep Rubio and/or have the full MLE.

 

[David Stern]

Was going to post something similar to LoPo. Clearing cap space for a 2nd tier FA like Tobias (and he's my target - with Klay, erc. being unrealistic), requires renouncing Favs, Rubio and others. Then the Jazz don't even have the full MLE to fill out the roster. I think they'd have the smaller exception which is what, around $4.5M? That's not much to find a backup 5 and a PG.

I think the play here is to try to make a trade with Favors and the draft pick. Then the Jazz could still keep Rubio and/or have the full MLE.

I think they paid Dante for a reason. I bet you could get a pretty damn good backup PG for 4-5 million a year, but maybe that’s a stretch.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Was going to post something similar to LoPo. Clearing cap space for a 2nd tier FA like Tobias (and he's my target - with Klay, erc. being unrealistic), requires renouncing Favs, Rubio and others. Then the Jazz don't even have the full MLE to fill out the roster. I think they'd have the smaller exception which is what, around $4.5M? That's not much to find a backup 5 and a PG.

I think the play here is to try to make a trade with Favors and the draft pick. Then the Jazz could still keep Rubio and/or have the full MLE.

It's not much, but those are the two positions in the league that would be easiest to get finds in the bargain bin.

 

[fishonjazz]

I understand your logic, but I have to disagree.

To play in free agency this summer, we have to renounce Rubio and Favors. So even if we got Tobias, we would lose two good contributors without the financial ability to add another great piece (we would only have the $4.6 million room exception since we would be a below cap team to start free agency). If we make a trade now, we still have the rights of Rubio or Favors, can spend the money to keep them AND we would have the $9 million MLE exception to add even more. So put it this way:

WAIT FOR FREE AGENCY - Maybe add a player but lose Rubio and Favors. After adding the player, we can use $4.6 million room exception. Tobias+$4.6 million player

TRADE NOW - Add a player, keep Rubio or Favors AND have a $9 million MLE exception to use. Otto+Rubio+$9 million player

We probably lose favors and Rubio in these trade scenarios anyway. We aren't getting Conley, Harris or whoever for free right? Plus we probably have to add a pick or Exum or something .
I don't think the clippers get super excited about thabo and Bradley.
I don't know how minutes would work with favors, Crowder, and Harris as trying to play the 4.

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[SoUjazzfan]

Favors is in a perfect situation here, although paid a little too much for his role. He has been playing fewer minutes but he has remained healthy. If he was to go 30 plus a night I'd be willing to wager his knee and back would give him fits. I wish we could keep him in a back up role beyond next year at a discount and with the understanding he will come off the bench. Reality probably won't fit into the conversation but teams looking to trade for him or pick him up if we decline his option will look into his past history. He's just not capable of playing center for 30 plus minutes a night and staying healthy.

 

[LoPo]

You can trade in the offseason, and a S&T typically doesn't make sense anymore, but could make sense for the Jazz (and obviously would make sense for the team who would lose their player for nothing) in order to keep Rubio or Faves. Like for example if the Clippers landed one star, Tobias wants to sign with us, we could work a sign and trade in which the Clippers got Faves, and depending on the date, could waive him or pick up his option for one more year and keep their 2020 cap space open for maybe another star?

Trading now limits the Jazz options... that's why it would only make sense to trade if it's a favorable deal (aka ONLY Faves and Sef for Otto, no asset) since there are other options like trying to land a player in FA.

Really, really tough to pull that off because we would have to renounce players to have the space to trade into AND I don't think we can trade Favors for a while after picking up his option.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Because the money? Jazz would probably have to sign Rubio before in that hypothetical scenario to get that massive cap hold down.

Otto is a valuable player, but I don't believe Jazz should have to give up an asset (other than Faves who would honestly make them a better team) for his contract.

I think to do the sign and trade we'd have to pick up or guarantee Favs contract... don't think salaries count until the option is picked up.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Favors was missed when he went out yesterday, no doubt about that.

 

[Kyoto]

Favors was missed when he went out yesterday, no doubt about that.

Yup. Udoh was painful to watch yesterday. I thought he was a better defender than what he showed. He also bobbled a few passes made to him

 

[LoPo]

We probably lose favors and Rubio in these trade scenarios anyway. We aren't getting Conley, Harris or whoever for free right? Plus we probably have to add a pick or Exum or something .
I don't think the clippers get super excited about thabo and Bradley.
I don't know how minutes would work with favors, Crowder, and Harris as trying to play the 4.

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I think we should focus on trading for the PF and not use Rubio. Once we have the PF, we can pay to keep Rubio this summer. We don't necessarily have to use Exum, but we will if we feel like we have to. I've been saying for a while that we don't need Rubio AND Exum. In terms of trade value, I think Exum has more. In terms of "to the team value", I think Rubio has more.

The minutes will filter down nicely. Let's just say Exum and Favors are used for a guy like Porter or Harris. Exum and Favors are playing around 40 minutes per game combined. If Harris or Porter comes in and gets 32, that's fine because some of Exum's PG minutes go to Donovan, some of Donovan's SG minutes go to Royce, some of Royce's SF minutes go to Korver and Crowder and some of Favors' C minutes go to Udoh.

The biggest issue in trading Favors is our backup C spot, but I think the improvements made to the 36 minutes Gobert plays will easily make up for the 12 minutes we are missing Favors as a backup C.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tony Jones seemed to indicate that the OP deal would push Royce or Exum into the starting lineup. Mentioned they have interest in Conley... Maybe we done with Ricky either way?

I'm cool no matter what we decide. If Favs/Thabo and a first ain't good enough for Wizards they can kick rocks. Conley my offer would be like expirings only... I feel less good about his contract and them being able to find a good trade partner.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Exactly. If you used Exum to get him, you actually gain cap space for the offseason, too.

I don’t want to trade Exum. He’s shown signs of improvement, and will still get better over the next 2 or so years.

So, play ingles at the 4?

Or move Mitchell to pg, and play Ingles and Porter at the wings.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Or move Mitchell to pg, and play Ingles and Porter at the wings.

The issue in the Favors-for-Porter swap is the Jazz would be extremely thin at the 4 at that point, especially if they're sending Thabo as well.

Again, I'd rather have Bjelica. I have no idea what it would take, but I can't imagine it would take as much as it would to get Porter.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The issue in the Favors-for-Porter swap is the Jazz would be extremely thin at the 4 at that point, especially if they're sending Thabo as well.

Again, I'd rather have Bjelica. I have no idea what it would take, but I can't imagine it would take as much as it would to get Porter.

There’s some clunkiness there.

A guy I keep coming back to is Marvin Williams... provides a lot of what we’d want at four... not the defensive liability Bjelly is. The contract just doesn’t fit with FA plans.

I think we could just play OP as the starter at 4. It wouldn’t hurt us in many matchups and will help us in some key ones.

After last night I might want to get a guy like Vonleh or Kyle o Quinn to play backup five but could also guard some bigger fours.

DM leveling up has changed some of our needs... when Ricky or Joe are good we are pretty damn good.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Just after last nights game... the places we can get meaningfully better are Niang and Udoh minutes...

Favs doesn’t get ejected and the Udoh thing is solved... Thabo gets healthy and he can take the 10 Niang minutes and do pretty well.

I might only do a deal if it’s a steal at this point. Wait and see what FA brings.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I might only do a deal if it’s a steal at this point. Wait and see what FA brings.

That's fair, but to the bold: history tells us 'very little'. And we can only afford to get someone big in FA by dumping two starters.

I think our flexibility is pretty overrated. I don't envy DL tbh. I don't really know the solution.

 

[kabenac]

I was hoping for the Jae trade last season and wanted Porter as well. This season it's Porter on my wish list.

If Memphis is looking to trade Gasol as well as Conley that ensues rebuild mode. It's going to be interesting to see what Memphis can get for Conley; I'm wondering how eager they are to move on from Conley and Gasol and if they're unrealistic in what they expect in return (I feel like Gasol would garnish more interest among GMs).

 

[fishonjazz]

Favors was missed when he went out yesterday, no doubt about that.

He definitely was, but udoh isn't usually that bad (to be fair to udoh he had no idea he would be playing and wasn't part of the gameplan going into the game) and if we had Harris or Niko or Griffin or something our starting lineup would improve and we would have different options like going small with the bench. (Or adding a backup center like Nene or chandler or like HH mentioned, vonleh or something)

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