2019 Trade Deadline Discussion

[Bawse Dawg]

OP looks not good when I’ve watched. I’m not sure if he is disengaged or not healthy or not really good...

He just ugly.


Legit have never seen him play that I can remember.

Favors PER 20+ this year btw. I bet he’d have way more value if he wasn’t behind a top 12 NBA player. He’s a great teammate and backup/spot starter, I’m starting to hope he just comes back at a lower number. Just can’t pay him what we are now.

 

[zyzz]

Wizards lost to the Cavs.

In case we were still monitoring them.

The end of that game was hilarious. Cavs were up 12 with 40 seconds left, and then the Wizards missed a 3 to tie...

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Look, stop gaps and incremental improvements won't cut it. Organic growth won't cut it. Adding 3rd tier players that are 80% of the 2nd tier player we really "want" won't cut it. Another year standing pat, hoping for "development" or "organic growth" won't cut it. With multi-all-star teams dominating the league, and us with 2 borderline all-stars, we need a proven top tier player if we're serious about competing. But we've been "that guy" away from competing for years, and DL likes to play it conservatively. They seem to be happy with mediocrity and fielding a team that's fun to watch to keep butts in the seats, while never really having a shot at the chip. They need to take a big swing or we'll waste Rudy's prime years. They need to make a big move, even if it fails, because no risk no reward. Otherwise we might as well accept our perennial position as a fun team that sometimes makes the 2nd round of the playoffs and yet again had a generational talent that has the asterisk of "... Who never won a ring".

****ing get it done Jazz. This is not a pizza shop where working on a thin margin is the primary concern. This is a ****ing billionaires hobby with a customer base that wants a better product.

Way late, but when was the last time a team made an in-season trade that led to the title? Pistons of 2004? When was the last trade of any consequence that led to a title, Pau Gasol in 2008 (in-season but didn't win until subsequent years)? Draft and free agent signings win NBA titles. Not making big swings in trades.

 

[One Brow]

If Favors loves being here and loves being a member of this organization and wants to be part of winning a title here, he should accept the role. He has only averaged 15 minutes per game the last 9 2nd round playoff games. He is such an asset, but mainly as a backup to Gobert once we play the great teams.

Just this past December, he played his usual 25 minutes against both Houston and GSW. Did they stop being great teams? This month, it was 27 versus Toronto and Milwaukee.

There's no reason to think that Favors will reduce his minutes in the playoffs this year.

 

[infection]

Way late, but when was the last time a team made an in-season trade that led to the title? Pistons of 2004? When was the last trade of any consequence that led to a title, Pau Gasol in 2008 (in-season but didn't win until subsequent years)? Draft and free agent signings win NBA titles. Not making big swings in trades.

Is our goal with a trade this year to win the 2019 title? As far as any trade, I’d say Shaq to Miami, LeBron and Bosh (depending on how you look at that), George Hill for Kawhi Leonard, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, Kevin Love and Cleveland. I mean, with the exception the Warriors (who have won three), that’s pretty much every title in recent history.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Is our goal with a trade this year to win the 2019 title? As far as any trade, I’d say Shaq to Miami, LeBron and Bosh (depending on how you look at that), George Hill for Kawhi Leonard, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, Kevin Love and Cleveland. I mean, with the exception the Warriors (who have won three), that’s pretty much every title in recent history.

He said in season.

Warriors moved monta for bogut in season... helped with title and their end of season tank.

There are always moves... big and small that matter.

 

[infection]

He said in season.

Warriors moved monta for bogut in season... helped with title and their end of season tank.

There are always moves... big and small that matter.

He seemed to open it up to “any trade of significance,” or at least that’s how I took it. In any case, I don’t think a mid-season trade and a championship is the way to look at things. Championships are an accumulation of a lot of good decisions. It’s like saying “when was the last time a team won a championship with a strong defensive center who wasn’t a scoring threat?” and saying because Bogut and Chandler are the only good examples in the last 14 years, that you shouldn’t focus on a defensive center.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He seemed to open it up to “any trade of significance,” or at least that’s how I took it. In any case, I don’t think a mid-season trade and a championship is the way to look at things. Championships are an accumulation of a lot of good decisions. It’s like saying “when was the last time a team won a championship with a strong defensive center who wasn’t a scoring threat?” and saying because Bogut and Chandler are the only good examples in the last 14 years, that you shouldn’t focus on a defensive center.

With you 100%

My least favorite thing is “so Tobias is the piece that helps us beat GS?” Maybe not but gets you closer.

Have to get lucky breaks and hit on a lot of moves.

 

[David Stern]

If we can do some sort of trade for a low-cost, backup center or veteran point guard then I’m all for it. Anything else... not so exited, unless it’s that sure fire third star.

 

[infection]

If we can do some sort of trade for a low-cost, backup center or veteran point guard then I’m all for it. Anything else... not so exited, unless it’s that sure fire third star.

Dewayne Dedmon.

 

[infection]

Favors, Rubio and picks for Jrue and Mirotic, Exum for Dewayne Dedmon.

 

[framer]

Favors, Rubio and picks for Jrue and Mirotic, Exum for Dewayne Dedmon.

I kinda feel that if we got Jrue, I'd be OK with Favors instead of carrying both Dedmon and Mirotic. Favors is the beat player of the three by far.

 

[Douchebag K]

Jrue Holiday. Jrue Holiday. Dude is our 3rd star.

I’m willing to go full Stannis and burn a daughter at the stake to achieve this objective

 

[LoPo]

Some will say he’s overpaid but nba gms likely don’t feel that way at all.

Philly could trump our offer... I could see Phoenix sending out their pick if it fell outside top 3... lots of teams can beat an offer of mediocre firsts... Allen and Exum don’t have much value.

So outside of Phoenix, Philly, Orlando and maybe some dark horse like Portland, we really don't know the market for Jrue. There just aren't that many buyers for a 28 year old PG/SG with $80 million left on his deal after this year.

For us, it's a no brainer. For almost every other team, there is a reason not to (Phoenix age, Orlando pick too high, Philly wants a bigger star, etc).

And its very important to remember - if NOLA goes full on tank, expirings and picks for Jrue makes sense. Paying a good PG/SG max type money for 3 years when you are trying to rebuild just doesn't make sense.

We can definitely get beat by a better offer, but there has to be a buyer as willing as us. I dont know if that exists.

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[fishonjazz]

Woj says they will be buyers at the deadline.

Lol


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[LoPo]

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-pelicans-anthony-davis-fined-20190129-story.html

"According to sources, the Pelicans view Ball as a player who would become the starting point guard. They don’t see Jrue Holiday as a point guard because he “doesn’t want to be a point guard,” one source said."

This doesn't mean NOLA doesn't want Jrue, but it also means they want to give the keys to the car to Lonzo. The source also said NOLA likes Kuzma, Ingram, Zubac and picks too. I just have a hard time believing that Jrue fits the long term vision of a Lonzo/Ingram/Kuzma led team.

I could be wrong...

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[fishonjazz]

Dewayne Dedmon.

Good call.
I wish jeremi grant were available. (I know he isnt a center but still)


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[Handlogten's Heros]

So outside of Phoenix, Philly, Orlando and maybe some dark horse like Portland, we really don't know the market for Jrue. There just aren't that many buyers for a 28 year old PG/SG with $80 million left on his deal after this year.

For us, it's a no brainer. For almost every other team, there is a reason not to (Phoenix age, Orlando pick too high, Philly wants a bigger star, etc).

And its very important to remember - if NOLA goes full on tank, expirings and picks for Jrue makes sense. Paying a good PG/SG max type money for 3 years when you are trying to rebuild just doesn't make sense.

We can definitely get beat by a better offer, but there has to be a buyer as willing as us. I dont know if that exists.

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I disagree. Holiday is so versatile and he’s in his prime. He’s appropriately paid and locked in for a while (big bonus for many teams). Chicago, Indiana, Minnesota, a bunch of others would have interest.

They won’t go full rebuild imo... at least not yet.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think we really need to stop thinking of Dante as a positive asset... at this point he is likely has negative or neutral value in most cases.

 

[LoPo]

I disagree. Holiday is so versatile and he’s in his prime. He’s appropriately paid and locked in for a while (big bonus for many teams). Chicago, Indiana, Minnesota, a bunch of others would have interest.

They won’t go full rebuild imo... at least not yet.

I agree to an extent, but Chicago isn't giving up a 1st anytime soon. Indiana doesn't have the assets any better than ours. If Minnesota trades Wiggins and a 1st, maybe NOLA is intrigued.

There might be interest, but the other team has to have the means and motivation. I just don't see many.

We even have the ability to take back Solomon Hill who NOLA doesn't seem to want. We could enable their rebuild.

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