2020 Presidential election

[Heathme]

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

There's some truth to this. Immigrants who get hooked on welfare and other social programs normally vote for Democrats who push those programs. It becomes something of a partnership that helps Democrats gain votes.

 

[Heathme]

 

[Jazzta]

Is anyone else secretly thinking what a $1000 income increase would look like?

 

[silesian]

I'm no fan of the way things have been going over the last 20 years, but there is no way in hell you're going to .Republicans, Independents, and Libertarians who think the Constitution of the United States is a great document, that socialism is the way to go...Its not gonna happen and you'll be handing Trump another 4 years.

I'm a stark raving limited government capitalist.

Democratic economic ideas are bad policy, they are not categorically unconstitutional.

The framing of "socialism" (i.e., medicare, social security, EPA, FDA, free college, etc.) versus "constitution" is a false choice. The Constitution defines the power for who make laws, interprets them and executes them. As long as those players are acting within the constitutional framework, they can vote to spend us into debt until we are completely broke. Stupid yes, unconstitutional, no.

We have a huge and growing out of control central Government today, thanks to both parties thirst for power. This is an awful state, but is it unconstitutional?

Do I want someone who makes Government significantly smaller? you bet. You need a competent person to do this. Trump? please, this carnival barker can't mange his way out of a wet paper bag. He caved to Pelosi on the budget like a meek little boy and the budget that he PROMISED to balance in his first term has created 4 trillion of new debt, growing a trillion more each year. This is while the economy is GROWING. You people know how this ends, right? In recession with no tools to dig our way out. With loss of wealth from your kids, just so we can benefit today. We are selfish bastards, indeed.

Given the choice between a box of turds and trump, turds it is. And if there are sensible fiscal conservatives (do they exist?) out there to counter the liberal box of turds, I vote for them for checks and balances.

Trump's got to go.

 

[Heathme]

 

[Coach Ellis]

Tulsi Gabbard endorsed Bernie last time, so there should be no question where her priorities are.

With that said, she doesn’t sound crazy and impossible to work with like some candidates AND she’s a veteran.

Service is a huge factor in my support, and I like her better than Pete.

Doesn’t mean it’s the end all be all. I thought McCain was a douche and I didn’t vote for him even though he was probably closer to me in belief than Obama was.

 

[fishonjazz]

Tulsi Gabbard endorsed Bernie last time, so there should be no question where her priorities are.

With that said, she doesn’t sound crazy and impossible to work with like some candidates AND she’s a veteran.

Service is a huge factor in my support, and I like her better than Pete.

Doesn’t mean it’s the end all be all. I thought McCain was a douche and I didn’t vote for him even though he was probably closer to me in belief than Obama was.

Did Trump serve?

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[silesian]

There's some truth to this. Immigrants who get hooked on welfare and other social programs normally vote for Democrats who push those programs. It becomes something of a partnership that helps Democrats gain votes.

Interesting how all we hear about is the economic cost of immigrants, when the benefits to US citizens far outweigh the costs.

4% immigrant unemployment is noise level.

US businesses would shut down without cheap labor and the whole business would move south of the border.

We'd all be paying more for goods and services (cut grass, nanny kids, pick crops, manual labor).

 

[silesian]

Trump loves America?

Can you change your handle to Gullible Goebbels

 

[One Brow]

There's some truth to this. Immigrants who get hooked on welfare and other social programs normally vote for Democrats who push those programs. It becomes something of a partnership that helps Democrats gain votes.

Immigrants don't get welfare nearly as much as citizens do. They come here to work, and they work.

 

[Hotdog]

 

[Coach Ellis]

Did Trump serve?

No, but I didn’t vote for Trump. I’m inclined to give veterans more leeway than I do other candidates. Doesn’t mean I’ll vote for them, but I will listen to them more than others.

 

[Heathme]

I love when she hypnotizes everyone.

 

[fishonjazz]

No, but I didn’t vote for Trump. I’m inclined to give veterans more leeway than I do other candidates. Doesn’t mean I’ll vote for them, but I will listen to them more than other candidates.

I thought he would have. He seems to be about my father's age (my dad was in Vietnam) and it seems like almost everyone served in that era

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[Coach Ellis]

I thought he would have. He seems to be about my father's age (my dad was in Vietnam) and it seems like almost everyone served in that era

No. He took the deferments that a lot of the wealthy class did - I think he took a college deferment and/or a medical one. Some people have trashed him for it, but I wouldn’t blame anyone for using legal means to avoid Vietnam.

Just like I don’t blame anyone for using legal methods to lower their tax liabilities. If it’s in the available laws, you shouldn’t feel bad about using loopholes.

With that said, I’d certainly downgrade you as a candidate vs. someone who served honorably. Every time.

 

[Zombie]

I thought he would have. He seems to be about my father's age (my dad was in Vietnam) and it seems like almost everyone served in that era

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It's funny how the wealthy are able to get out of being drafted

 

[Coach Ellis]

My Grandfather (and one of the best men I’ve ever known) served in Vietnam and Korea. He talked to me a lot about how he wished he’d been able to avoid having to go over there. He was active combat and was responsible for the deaths of enemies. It took a toll on him. War is a terrible thing.

I’ll never criticize someone for not serving. It’s a very personal choice and one that I’m glad we’re free to make for ourselves. Compulsory drafts and conscription are borderline evil. I’m glad that the US is moving (almost) completely away from that structure. Both of my parents served in the military, and I’m proud of all our armed service personnel.

 

[Zombie]

No. He took the deferments that a lot of the wealthy class did - I think he too a college deferment and/or a medical one. Some people have trashed him for it, but I wouldn’t blame anyone for using legal means to avoid Vietnam.

Just like I don’t blame anyone for using legal methods to lower their tax liabilities. If it’s in the available laws, you shouldn’t feel bad about using loopholes.

With that said, I’d certainly downgrade you as a candidate vs. someone who served honorably. Every time.

No doubt. I don't blame anyone for getting out of going to Vietnam by any means tbh. It's unfortunate that there isn't a level playing field when it comes to doing so legally, but the poor fighting wars while the rich sit on the sidelines has been happening for a few thousand years or so

 

[Coach Ellis]

It's funny how the wealthy are able to get out of being drafted

Poor people have historically been required to serve. Having means usually provides you more opportunities to avoid it.

I don’t see how it’s any different from the wealthy and politically connected getting into colleges that they have no business qualifying for. It’s been that way always.

Donald Trump, Mitt Romney, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden all got deferments to avoid being drafted. Millions of wealthy or connected men would do just about whatever they could to avoid going to Vietnam. College, medical and family reasons were the most common ways to avoid being drafted.