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Ellis269 said:
If it’s in the available laws, you shouldn’t feel bad about using loopholes.
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How about those wealthy parents who sign their children over to a poorer friend or family member so that their kids can get financial assistance from government programs that were created for poor kids who really need the help?

Do you think they should feel bad?

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fishonjazz said:
How about those wealthy parents who sign their children over to a poorer friend or family member so that their kids can get financial assistance from government programs that were created for poor kids who really need the help?

Do you think they should feel bad?
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Yes. That’s clearly a manipulation of the rules and exploitation of a system not intended for them. The loophole should be closed immediately and if it continues, they should be prosecuted.

I don’t view that in the same way that I do using any legal deferment to avoid compulsory military service or employing legal means to lowering tax liability. Just like you should go to jail if you file fraudulent taxes. Or borrow someone else’s child to claim amnesty at the border. Those are clear manipulations of existing laws that shouldn’t be allowed.
 
Ellis269 said:
Poor people have historically been required to serve. Having means usually provides you more opportunities to avoid it.

I don’t see how it’s any different from the wealthy and politically connected getting into colleges that they have no business qualifying for. It’s been that way always.

Donald Trump, Mitt Romney, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden all got deferments to avoid being drafted. Millions of wealthy or connected men would do just about whatever they could to avoid going to Vietnam. College, medical and family reasons were the most common ways to avoid being drafted.
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But there’s a difference between skipping out on that terrible war and skipping out on that terrible war only to claim that STDs were your Vietnam and then to trash those who did serve in it.

https://people.com/politics/trump-b...nas-are-landmines-it-was-my-personal-vietnam/
 
Catchall said:
I learned a lot about American politics when i watched Arnold Schwarzenegger become Governor of California (obviously a highly Democratic state) in a landslide. Fame, persona, popularity, image, likability play a huge role in presidential politics. Love him or hate him, Trump grabs attention endlessly. And unless he does something horribly wrong (as opposed to just being crass, controversial and confrontational on twitter), he's very likely to get re-elected, imo. The vast majority of Republicans are behind him.
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The vast majority of the country doesn’t want trump. However, the dumbest and most bitter demographic is the strongest in the swing states he needs to win the electoral college.

If he wins re-election I am willing to bet my paycheck that he loses the popular vote by a greater margin than in 2016.
 
One Brow said:
Immigrants don't get welfare nearly as much as citizens do. They come here to work, and they work.
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Stop using facts.

Why can’t you just let Hannity partisans recite Hannityisms? Like illegals live off welfare, vote straight Democratic Party for handouts, and Medicaid expansion hurts people who it’s trying to help.
 
Catchall said:
I learned a lot about American politics when i watched Arnold Schwarzenegger become Governor of California (obviously a highly Democratic state) in a landslide. Fame, persona, popularity, image, likability play a huge role in presidential politics. Love him or hate him, Trump grabs attention endlessly. And unless he does something horribly wrong (as opposed to just being crass, controversial and confrontational on twitter), he's very likely to get re-elected, imo. The vast majority of Republicans are behind him.
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I lived in California at the time. Schwarzenegger was a terrible Governor. And he was only really made possible because Grey Davis was also a complete disaster.
 
Gameface said:
I lived in California at the time. Schwarzenegger was a terrible Governor. And he was only really made possible because Grey Davis was also a complete disaster.
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But I think the point @Catchall was making was that celebrities, especially those clueless about politics, know how to hold people’s attention.

There’s a lot of stupid people out there. Tom Nichols demonstrates this with this thread. Check it out:

 
Safetydan said:
LOL, she wouldn't **** you either.

Come on, lets see it. Pics or GTFO
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My wife wanted me to post her picture weeks ago and I told her no. She is so pretty and young you guys would give me even more H**l. If I thought for an instant you would be nice to me on just one thing I would, but I have gotten to know most of you now. Everyone stop calling me bags of poop, troll, etc. for one month and I will do it.
 
Ellis269 said:
No. He took the deferments that a lot of the wealthy class did - I think he took a college deferment and/or a medical one. Some people have trashed him for it, but I wouldn’t blame anyone for using legal means to avoid Vietnam.
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I find war hawks who avoided service/never served to be hypocritical. Trump avoided service, but to his credit, is not a war hawk.
 
jazzrule said:
proof
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I looked for a source that is notoriously not aligned with liberals, so you might believe them:

https://www.cato.org/publications/i...tion-welfare-state-immigrant-native-use-rates

Overall, immigrants are less likely to consume welfare benefits and, when they do, they generally consume a lower dollar value of benefits than native-born Americans. Immigrants who meet the eligibility thresholds of age for the entitlement programs or poverty for the means-tested welfare programs generally have lower use rates and consume a lower dollar value relative to native-born Americans.3 The per capita cost of providing welfare to immigrants is substantially less than the per capita cost of providing welfare to native-born Americans.
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Heathme said:
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jazzrule said:
My wife wanted me to post her picture weeks ago and I told her no. She is so pretty and young you guys would give me even more H**l. If I thought for an instant you would be nice to me on just one thing I would, but I have gotten to know most of you now. Everyone stop calling me bags of poop, troll, etc. for one month and I will do it.
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I bet she's real hot and wanted you to post her picture weeks ago. I, for one, believe you.
 
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