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fishonjazz said:
That's what you have been brainwashed to believe. It has to be one or the other. That is the sheep in you following the flock.

I'm about to blow your mind.

I'm anti abortion. I would never want a child of mine aborted under any circumstance. But....

I also don't believe that the way I feel should be the way everyone else has to feel. I understand that other people have different backgrounds than me, different perspectives than me, different circumstances from me, and I feel like others should be able to look at all those things and make their own decisions in their lives.


You can apply this type of thinking to many many scenarios. I'm against lots of things that I think are ok for others to decide for themselves about.



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You are not blowing my mind at all. You are describing the typical position of a pro-choice person.
 
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Well, it looks like Joe Biden is on track to take the South Carolina primary by over 20 points. I guess the race to keep Bernie from getting to 1991 pledged delegates appears to be on.
 
Tom Steyer seems like an alien who has been on assignignment to study the human race for decades, and has just figured out the whole "social interaction" thing and is really excited about it.

 
Biden is Alive. If voters believe he is viable they will shift from Bloomberg, Pete and Amy to joe.

I’m predicting Biden wins Texas, Bernie wins Cali, and Super Tuesday decides nothing. Then, Moderates rally behind joe and Bernie is bridesmaid again.

Biden is next potus.
 
Tom Steyer has ended his Presidential campaign.

We never even really got to know you. Never knew who you were or why you thought running for President was a good idea. So, that's it. Bye.
 
Legit question for Bernie supporters. If he’s elected President, what good will he actually do so far as income equality? I sincerely mean this. If he’s elected and let’s say minimum wage goes to $15 or thereabouts nationally, the only way I see it playing out is massive layoffs. We’re seemingly already headed to a recession as it is and if he’s elected and gets that minimum wage into place, you can bet your *** companies will lay tens of thousands off, companies will cut back hours from 40 to 24-28 (which has started for years now and would also save them from providing health benefits), and/or go even more automated than we’re already seeing. Because the bottom line is, companies, their CEO’s and their Boards are worried about just that. The bottom line. And if target projections aren’t met or fall massively short, heads will roll and measures will be taken. So I’m sincerely asking, what good will he do for income inequality? Jobs will be lost, hours will be slashed for those who manage to keep their jobs, and more automation will ensue.

Please don’t conflate this with me being a Republican. I’m not. I’m a liberal and voted for Hilary. Please don’t conflate this with me not recognizing that there is income inequality and that something needs to be done. I just don’t see these steps fixing the issues or Bernie even being able to get **** done as I don’t think many in Congress will want to work with him.

So convince me why I’m wrong. How will he help?

And fwiw, I’ll vote for him if he’s the nominee, regardless.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Legit question for Bernie supporters. If he’s elected President, what good will he actually do so far as income equality? I sincerely mean this. If he’s elected and let’s say minimum wage goes to $15 or thereabouts nationally, the only way I see it playing out is massive layoffs. We’re seemingly already headed to a recession as it is and if he’s elected and gets that minimum wage into place, you can bet your *** companies will lay tens of thousands off, companies will cut back hours from 40 to 24-28 (which has started for years now and would also save them from providing health benefits), and/or go even more automated than we’re already seeing. Because the bottom line is, companies, their CEO’s and their Boards are worried about just that. The bottom line. And if target projections aren’t met or fall massively short, heads will roll and measures will be taken. So I’m sincerely asking, what good will he do for income inequality? Jobs will be lost, hours will be slashed for those who manage to keep their jobs, and more automation will ensue.

Please don’t conflate this with me being a Republican. I’m not. I’m a liberal and voted for Hilary. Please don’t conflate this with me not recognizing that there is income inequality and that something needs to be done. I just don’t see these steps fixing the issues or Bernie even being able to get **** done as I don’t think many in Congress will want to work with him.

So convince me why I’m wrong. How will he help?

And fwiw, I’ll vote for him if he’s the nominee, regardless.
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Making the rich pay taxes. Take from the rich and give to the poor (in the form of taxing the rich and using those taxes for thing like education and healthcare taking some of the burden off the poor)

40 years ago the richest people in the country paid over 50% in taxes and the income inequality was much less. The rich have been taxed less and less over the years and the gap has grown.


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Wes Mantooth said:
Fair. Do we actually think that The Swamp will vote in favor of such?
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Probably not.
One thing to like about bernie is that he will try to make things better for most americans. He will most likely fail cause the swamp is tough to beat.
However the other candidates wont even attempt to make things better for anyone but the people paying them big bucks.

Is it better to elect someone who will try or someone who wont even try? I choose the guy who will try something even if he fails.

Plus if he fails at least you still have a good person as the spokesperson for the country.


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Just now I was watching a Biden interview on CNN thinking who does this guy remind me of? Then it came all of a sudden:

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gandalfe said:
But... you said pro-choice and anti-abortion were opposites?
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Your posts are approaching ignore-worthy territory. They are opposites. His position is clearly pro-choice. Saying that he is anti-abortion is the opposite of his actual position.

And by the way, would you like me to blow your mind? I am also pro-choice, though I think that positions like Governor Newsome have taken are going way too far. Being partisan does not mean that you support every position of a political platform, though. It means that you strongly identify with one political party over another. Fish is a partisan Democrat. I am a partisan Republican. That is obvious from the opinions each of us express on this site.
 
silesian said:
Biden is Alive. If voters believe he is viable they will shift from Bloomberg, Pete and Amy to joe.

I’m predicting Biden wins Texas, Bernie wins Cali, and Super Tuesday decides nothing. Then, Moderates rally behind joe and Bernie is bridesmaid again.

Biden is next potus.
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I heard that about 50% of Super Tuesday voting was already cast before Biden won SC. i also heard that he had done far less campaigning in other competitors. There's a good chance that SC was too little too late. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Democratic Party attempts to rig things for Biden using their Super Delegates. It stuns me that rank and file Dems are okay with that system.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Legit question for Bernie supporters. If he’s elected President, what good will he actually do so far as income equality? I sincerely mean this. If he’s elected and let’s say minimum wage goes to $15 or thereabouts nationally, the only way I see it playing out is massive layoffs. We’re seemingly already headed to a recession as it is and if he’s elected and gets that minimum wage into place, you can bet your *** companies will lay tens of thousands off, companies will cut back hours from 40 to 24-28 (which has started for years now and would also save them from providing health benefits), and/or go even more automated than we’re already seeing. Because the bottom line is, companies, their CEO’s and their Boards are worried about just that. The bottom line. And if target projections aren’t met or fall massively short, heads will roll and measures will be taken. So I’m sincerely asking, what good will he do for income inequality? Jobs will be lost, hours will be slashed for those who manage to keep their jobs, and more automation will ensue.

Please don’t conflate this with me being a Republican. I’m not. I’m a liberal and voted for Hilary. Please don’t conflate this with me not recognizing that there is income inequality and that something needs to be done. I just don’t see these steps fixing the issues or Bernie even being able to get **** done as I don’t think many in Congress will want to work with him.

So convince me why I’m wrong. How will he help?

And fwiw, I’ll vote for him if he’s the nominee, regardless.
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This is an excellent summary of why I think he is a terrible candidate. Trump will crucify him with this stuff, and many people who currently could not imagine themselves voting for Trump will either hold their nose and do it, or stay home on voting day.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Your posts are approaching ignore-worthy territory. They are opposites. His position is clearly pro-choice. Saying that he is anti-abortion is the opposite of his actual position.

And by the way, would you like me to blow your mind? I am also pro-choice, though I think that positions like Governor Newsome have taken are going way too far. Being partisan does not mean that you support every position of a political platform, though. It means that you strongly identify with one political party over another. Fish is a partisan Democrat. I am a partisan Republican. That is obvious from the opinions each of us express on this site.
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Depends on what you call partisan Democrat. If you consider a partisan Democrat to be part of a socially conscious platform where there is an acknowledgement of the current unbalance between classes then yes, as a Bernie supporter you could say that he’s a partisan Democrat. I’d be surprised if Fish votes blue no matter who though. But I’ll let him speak for himself of course.
 
Then there’s a group of people in which I include myself that I would call “peripheral” voters. Those of us that hope that the swamp really gets drained. This was one of Trumps biggest points in 2016, turns out he’s more swamp than the Everglades.

Sanders is the only candidate that gives me some resemblance of hope in this matter.
A Trump voter gone Sanders, wait whaaaat
 
Jazzta said:
Then there’s a group of people in which I include myself that I would call “peripheral” voters. Those of us that hope that the swamp really gets drained. This was one of Trumps biggest points in 2016, turns out he’s more swamp than the Everglades.

Sanders is the only candidate that gives me some resemblance of hope in this matter.
A Trump voter gone Sanders, wait whaaaat
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I believe that many Sanders voters went Trump in 2016. Many young people identify more anti-establishment than they do with either party, so it's not really that surprising. Both Trump and Sanders have arisen from far outside the establishment. They are taking the two major parties farther and farther apart. I would love to see a much more centrist candidate. Klobichar (who has little chance) or Gabbard (who has no chance) are the only Dems I could see myself voting for. I'd prefer someone right of center, though, and that's not going to happen in this cycle.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I believe that many Sanders voters went Trump in 2016. Many young people identify more anti-establishment than they do with either party, so it's not really that surprising. Both Trump and Sanders have arisen from far outside the establishment. They are taking the two major parties farther and farther apart. I would love to see a much more centrist candidate. Klobichar (who has little chance) or Gabbard (who has no chance) are the only Dems I could see myself voting for. I'd prefer someone right of center, though, and that's not going to happen in this cycle.
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Agreed about Gabbard, who is the opposite of centrist/pro-establishment in foreign policy. The reason why she was attacked over it time and time again.
 
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