Yeah man, I've tried to hard to like Walsh but he does almost nothing good beyond defend.
2023 NBA Draft Megathread
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Here's how I see the prospects in a normal draft:
Generational: Wemby
Top 1: Scoot
Top 5: Brandon Miller
Top 8: Jarace, Cam Whitmore
Everyone else....I'm not sure I would see them as surefire top 8 picks in a standard draft. IMO, this draft is condensed around the 8-16 range because there are a lot of guys that have fallen down or risen up to that draft stock.
Thompson Twins: Impossible to evaluate 20 year olds playing against high school kids. Their production is not particularly impressive at all.
Smith Jr/George: Shotmakers/creators....but not particularly amazing at it. Tough to judge because NCAA basketball is so terrible....but their playstyle is a tough living in the NBA.
Wallace/Black: Similarity prospects, likely role players in the NBA. Black is more exciting, Wallace is a better player right now.
Dick/Sensabaugh/Jett: These guys have had good seasons and it would not be surprised if they were draft above the guys listed above.
seattlejazzfan
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i watched Arkansas last night, they inserted NSJ about mid way through the first half - he played about 5 minutes and honestly was unplayable and he never saw the court in a close game the rest of the way. granted, it was just his second game back from injury, but he looked so bad. he's going to be interesting to watch the rest of the way, but Arkansas is on the ropes a bit - they need to win games right now to guarantee a spot in the dance.
seattlejazzfan
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also a good cutter/finisher, pretty good passer and plays smart - there is a reason (beyond just the defense) musselman plays him a ton in tight games. type of guy who could be a really good four year player, but yeah, i'm the same - i wanted to like him, but he just isn't anything special with the ball and the three still isn't falling - just don't see him as an nba prospect right now.
Eddie Zero
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Miller and Keyonte are the only two in that list with high floors and low bust potential for me, and also have similar upsides of Walker, or Cam, that are not a huge bust risk, but whos floors are lower depending on who drafts them. Thompsons are huge risk reward types since there is little to go on, but the ability to hoop is there, they are not ranked that high just based on max verts.
I like Black as a high level role player with a nice floor, but not much elite anything there, and think he is not a high upside type, Smith probably ins't either anymore with his injury history, same with the once top 5 ranked Whitehead. Black has a higher floor than both of them but its only because of the injuries.
I like Walker and Whitmore the most as having safe enough floors to take early but high enough potentials to not mind taking before the Thompsons if I have a nervous owner who is happy to replace me if they bust.
Personally think one of the twins becomes an elite level all nba player. Not sure which one though
seattlejazzfan
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highest ceilings, imo, are miller, whitmore, walker and george.
Eddie Zero
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Sure not same players, not a COMP. However I do see the same lack of impact, both being overrated pre draft
Cade averaged like 17-6-6 his rookie season what you talking bout?
seattlejazzfan
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cade is so much more dynamic as a shooter/scorer than black is. black is the more steady player, won't turn it over as much, better defender than Cade. giddey is a more appropriate comp for black.
Eddie Zero
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Ok Cade is awesome as an empty stat tank commander?
CC is pretty overrated and yes Black is a smart defender,and play reader. but thats it. Being smart I guess is good enough for some of you. It is something to build on, but with those ****** handles and meh jumper, I don't see a place for him in Hardy's rotation let alone starting.
Eddie Zero
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how many wins???
I would add Hendricks
Eddie Zero
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it wasnt a damn comp. The point I was TRYING to make, was Cade went to high for what he is as a pro. Black is like you say, even less of a prospect so I guess I was being generous smh
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Bawse Dawg
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I think that is enough to get people to disagree. Who should have gone over him? You want empty stats and no impact, Jalen Green is your guy. There is definitely an argument for Mobley, but he hasn't been flawless either. Both he and Barnes slumped a bit this year, while Cade seemed to be doing well before his injury.
He's easily a top three player in that draft. And I haven't heard anyone say he was overdrafted or is a disappointing pick until this very morning.
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Eddie Zero
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I would look at Black starting around 16th overall based on his actual ceiling and maybe 12th based on his floor as a role player. If you catch my take.
imo he is being treated like he is in the same ceiling range as some of the best prospects in this draft. Cannot figure why, maybe I am missing something I just don't see much there to work with at all that I cannot get in a more proven Colby later on.
I don't think anyone has put Black in their top 5....
Eddie Zero
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Its just me I hate Oklahoma state lol
no seriously I never liked Cades ****** handles and overrated shooting either
Eddie Zero
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he is not a top 10 prospect either imo